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> And they want users to trust that central service to decide who is who. Actually, no, the whole point of Keybase is that you don't have to trust the central

> And they want users to trust that central service to decide who is who. Actually, no, the whole point of Keybase is that you don't have to trust the central server, and can verify all the proofs yourself. The CLI does this automatically.

founderling 8y ago
1: They claim the integration is needed because people are too dumb to copy&paste a string. 2: The whole user interface is set up so users believe in what they see in the web interfaces. And you want to tell me with a straight face that users will do their own crypto foo instead and validate hashes? Even if the users used that CLI, that does not help. As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewrote history.
- robryk 8y ago
  > And you want to tell me with a straight face that users will do their own crypto foo instead and validate hashes? Your Keybase client (for whichever platform) will perform the verification for users you follow. There is no need for any manual action and the verification has to happen when you follow someone (by following someone you're attesting that your client performed the verification).
- codewiz 8y ago
  > As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewrote history. Do some basic research. History was never rewritten and new code was never pushed on users. Users voted in favor of the DAO fork, then users voluntarily downloaded newer versions of their wallets in which the respective developers had implemented the agreed upon new rules that moved the stolen money to a recovery account.
  - spookthesunset 8y ago
    > stolen money to a recovery account The money was never stolen. A person found a loophole in the code, which everybody agreed upon by virtue of buying into it, and took advantage of it. Code is law. It said so right in the terms & conditions. It is on each buyer to fully audit the code for every single possible loophole--that what is expected of all parties when "code is law". The DAO rollback destroyed any credibility ethereum (or any crypto) had. The blockchain is fully mutable if the mob wills it. Calling it "theft" is one of the more laughable ways the top of the pyramid tried to spin the whole thing.

founderling 8y ago

1: They claim the integration is needed because people are too dumb to copy&paste a string. 2: The whole user interface is set up so users believe in what they see in the web interfaces. And you want to tell me with a straight face that users will do their own crypto foo instead and validate hashes? Even if the users used that CLI, that does not help. As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewrote history.

robryk 8y ago
> And you want to tell me with a straight face that users will do their own crypto foo instead and validate hashes? Your Keybase client (for whichever platform) will perform the verification for users you follow. There is no need for any manual action and the verification has to happen when you follow someone (by following someone you're attesting that your client performed the verification).
codewiz 8y ago
> As we saw with Ethereum. They simply pushed out new code that rewrote history. Do some basic research. History was never rewritten and new code was never pushed on users. Users voted in favor of the DAO fork, then users voluntarily downloaded newer versions of their wallets in which the respective developers had implemented the agreed upon new rules that moved the stolen money to a recovery account.
- spookthesunset 8y ago
  > stolen money to a recovery account The money was never stolen. A person found a loophole in the code, which everybody agreed upon by virtue of buying into it, and took advantage of it. Code is law. It said so right in the terms & conditions. It is on each buyer to fully audit the code for every single possible loophole--that what is expected of all parties when "code is law". The DAO rollback destroyed any credibility ethereum (or any crypto) had. The blockchain is fully mutable if the mob wills it. Calling it "theft" is one of the more laughable ways the top of the pyramid tried to spin the whole thing.