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>equally with management in the returns. Managers at Google don't make much more and in some cases don't make more than the SWEs they manage. Did you mean to s

>equally with management in the returns. Managers at Google don't make much more and in some cases don't make more than the SWEs they manage. Did you mean to say shareholders?

joshuamorton 7y ago
I expect he means rank and file employees including middle management vs. Execs, which is probably limited to the set of people who are VP or above. (maybe Director, but I think the data would disagree).
- ChuckMcM 7y ago
  Yes, I was generally draw the line at the same point, although I expect Director is in there too. Much of the director and above remuneration is in stock and bonuses which benefits disproportionately from profit.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    From what I've seen, director level compensation follows mostly the same structure as non-director compensation, but with the dials turned up in much the same way. That is to say, L5 -> L6, L6 -> L7, and L7 -> L8/Director modify your compensation structure in similar ways. This ignores things like truly discretionary cash bonuses and one-time stock grants which exist, but I'd have no visibility into.
    - ChuckMcM 7y ago
      > This ignores things like truly discretionary cash bonuses and one-time stock grants which exist, but I'd have no visibility into. Having played at that level my experience was that generally they start at 100% of your 'base' salary and go up from there. Much of the knobs are intentionally opaque.
e40 7y ago
I was told by someone in HR that has HR friends at Google that the manager of a group always makes at least as much as the highest paid employee in that group.
- ariwilson 7y ago
  This is definitely incorrect.
- hopler 7y ago
  That's the plan, but it doesn't always happen due to internal transfers. Anyway it means little because if you are highly paid then you also are high level title so you just get managed by your manager's manager but stay working on your same team.
- deelowe 7y ago
  Your friend of a friend lied to you. Comp is mostly based on level and performance and it's totally possible to have a higher level employee reporting to a lower level manager.

>equally with management in the returns. Managers at Google don't make much more and in some cases don't make more than the SWEs they manage. Did you mean to say shareholders?

joshuamorton 7y ago

I expect he means rank and file employees including middle management vs. Execs, which is probably limited to the set of people who are VP or above. (maybe Director, but I think the data would disagree).

ChuckMcM 7y ago
Yes, I was generally draw the line at the same point, although I expect Director is in there too. Much of the director and above remuneration is in stock and bonuses which benefits disproportionately from profit.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  From what I've seen, director level compensation follows mostly the same structure as non-director compensation, but with the dials turned up in much the same way. That is to say, L5 -> L6, L6 -> L7, and L7 -> L8/Director modify your compensation structure in similar ways. This ignores things like truly discretionary cash bonuses and one-time stock grants which exist, but I'd have no visibility into.
  - ChuckMcM 7y ago
    > This ignores things like truly discretionary cash bonuses and one-time stock grants which exist, but I'd have no visibility into. Having played at that level my experience was that generally they start at 100% of your 'base' salary and go up from there. Much of the knobs are intentionally opaque.

e40 7y ago

I was told by someone in HR that has HR friends at Google that the manager of a group always makes at least as much as the highest paid employee in that group.

ariwilson 7y ago
This is definitely incorrect.
hopler 7y ago
That's the plan, but it doesn't always happen due to internal transfers. Anyway it means little because if you are highly paid then you also are high level title so you just get managed by your manager's manager but stay working on your same team.
deelowe 7y ago
Your friend of a friend lied to you. Comp is mostly based on level and performance and it's totally possible to have a higher level employee reporting to a lower level manager.