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I haven't voted. I guess people wonder what does the charge have to do with the victims of the Boeing crash, why there is a comparison, why that is hilarious, a

by lysium 8y ago

I haven't voted. I guess people wonder what does the charge have to do with the victims of the Boeing crash, why there is a comparison, why that is hilarious, and whether your comment adds to any meaningful discussion.

chupa-chups 8y ago
Since this is (/appears to be) a community of people who connect more than just 2 dots, it is quite straining to me to explain what i mean. The point is that VW (and other car manufacturers) are being charged for hypothetically happening deaths due to pollution. There is statistical evidence of this, but the gross result is open to discussion and no serious scientist will agree on a real number, especially that the probably larger cause of statistical death in the long run is caused by fine-grain emissions, which are independent of the engine itself. The really lethal emissions known as of today are caused by fine-grained dust, which is emitted by all cars, the more power, the more dust (i.e. Tesla cars). This is well known (rubber). Opposed to this there is evidence in form of >200 deceased people in less than 7 months, caused by actual negligence of Boeing adminstration/engineers. This has not lead to any legal repercussions, it will probably just result in "we improved MCAS, we're safe again".
- the_gastropod 8y ago
  Volkswagen's emissions scandal began ~4 years ago. I'm certain Boeing will face investigation in due time. It's ironic you implied HN'ers are incapable of connecting more than two dots, then proceeded to rant about there being more than two dots between pollution and death...
- defterGoose 8y ago
  I'd say it boils down to a question of intent. In the case of Boeing, you have a complicated system whose engineering intricacies make it exceedingly difficult for anyone to anticipate all possible failure modes. In the case of VW you have execs trying to make an extra buck off of knowingly pumping an excess of pollution into the atmosphere. The first seems negligent at most, the second seems malicious.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 8y ago
  The Boeing stuff just happened. It started to be big news just over a month ago. The VW stuff happened 4 years ago and the legal stuff is still unfolding. The comparison is ridiculous, and calling it hilarious is tone deaf.

by lysium 8y ago

chupa-chups 8y ago

Since this is (/appears to be) a community of people who connect more than just 2 dots, it is quite straining to me to explain what i mean. The point is that VW (and other car manufacturers) are being charged for hypothetically happening deaths due to pollution. There is statistical evidence of this, but the gross result is open to discussion and no serious scientist will agree on a real number, especially that the probably larger cause of statistical death in the long run is caused by fine-grain emissions, which are independent of the engine itself. The really lethal emissions known as of today are caused by fine-grained dust, which is emitted by all cars, the more power, the more dust (i.e. Tesla cars). This is well known (rubber). Opposed to this there is evidence in form of >200 deceased people in less than 7 months, caused by actual negligence of Boeing adminstration/engineers. This has not lead to any legal repercussions, it will probably just result in "we improved MCAS, we're safe again".

the_gastropod 8y ago
Volkswagen's emissions scandal began ~4 years ago. I'm certain Boeing will face investigation in due time. It's ironic you implied HN'ers are incapable of connecting more than two dots, then proceeded to rant about there being more than two dots between pollution and death...
defterGoose 8y ago
I'd say it boils down to a question of intent. In the case of Boeing, you have a complicated system whose engineering intricacies make it exceedingly difficult for anyone to anticipate all possible failure modes. In the case of VW you have execs trying to make an extra buck off of knowingly pumping an excess of pollution into the atmosphere. The first seems negligent at most, the second seems malicious.
6gvONxR4sf7o 8y ago
The Boeing stuff just happened. It started to be big news just over a month ago. The VW stuff happened 4 years ago and the legal stuff is still unfolding. The comparison is ridiculous, and calling it hilarious is tone deaf.