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There’s art and there’s art. And then there’s the symbol of a whole nation. I imagine even the most reticent would be jumping in on this one.
by pdpi 8y ago
There’s art and there’s art. And then there’s the symbol of a whole nation.
I imagine even the most reticent would be jumping in on this one.
- kaoD 8y agoNot everyone is nationalistic.
- omginternets 8y agoThis isn't nationalism. Its patriotism. There's a really important difference.
- kaoD 8y agoAnd what's the difference? My dictionary, as well as Wiktionary[0], defines nationalism as "1. Patriotism". [0] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/nationalism https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/nationalism
- sneakernets 8y agoModern meanings of nationalism are synonymous with jingoism. It was once in the definition list on Wiktionary, but was conveniently removed late last year.
- laken 8y agoand if you follow that link, it refers to the 3rd definition of patriotism: "The desire to compete with other nations; nationalism." Patriotism is a better fit for this use, as there's the first definition: "Love of one's country; devotion to the welfare of one's compatriots; passion which inspires one to serve one's country." Generally, if we're not using literal dictionary definitions, in a political context, nationalism is overpowering patriotism where you want your country to be better than others at all costs. Patriotism is a love for you country and your people.
- pdpi 8y agoNationalism, in current usage, tends to mean jingoism. The difference between that and patriotism could be described as the same as the difference between love and obsession.
- pferde 8y agoI feel this is a good explanation: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/an-important-distinction https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/an-important-distinction
- wrs 8y agoNationalism is like rooting for your home team. Patriotism is like caring for your family.
- omginternets 8y agoThat's an oversimplification that borders on the outright incorrect: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-nationalism https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/patriotism-vs-...
- CompelTechnic 8y agoFrance does seem to have a deep seated nationalism that I don't understand very well. They care extremely deeply about their cultural works to a degree that does not make sense to me.
- MR4D 8y ago"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does" [0] Sydney J. Harris [0] - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sydney_J._Harris https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sydney_J._Harris
- kaoD 8y agoThat seems like a feel-good post-hoc euphemism (but ok, I accept that language evolves). Either way: how did France (the nation) make any of these artworks? You could argue it was made by anyone in the spectrum ranging from "the artist" to "the humanity". Stopping at France seems arbitrary and a bit... nationalistic. If any institution "made" them, it's the Catholic Church, not France.
- MR4D 8y agoGiven that France is "overwhelmingly Roman Catholic" [0], your last statement could be considered interchangeable. Perhaps (and I'm not French, so I don't know) many of the people consider them to be one and the same. Either way, it's a reasonable point that you made. [0] - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fr.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
- kaoD 8y agoI see what you mean too, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_d...