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Too early to say if it is related but a dozen or more Catholic Churches across France have been desecrated, vandalized, or set on fire since February of this ye

Too early to say if it is related but a dozen or more Catholic Churches across France have been desecrated, vandalized, or set on fire since February of this year. https://aleteia.org/2019/02/16/string-of-attacks-on-french-churches-includes-desecration-of-eucharist/ https://aleteia.org/2019/02/16/string-of-attacks-on-french-c...

matt4077 7y ago
Let’s not peddle flimsy rumors, especially not those accusing certain groups (as made here using the linked article). There is nothing to be lost in waiting for actual investigative results. And, fwiw, the early images clearly point to the fire breaking out in the roof, where construction scaffolds are clearly visible in all the images.
- robotrout 7y ago
  To be sure, always wait for proof before acting. But pattern recognition is a thing. Although there was no evidence of a connection, France has seen a number of attacks on Catholic churches in the past year, including arson and vandalism. Paris’s Church of St. Suplice was set on fire after midday mass last month. No one was injured Police are investigating, but firefighters attributed the blaze to arson. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cathedral-is-on-fire/2019/04/15/c487906e-5fa1-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html?utm_term=.a19fa6484602 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cat...
ritz_labringue 7y ago
This does not look like a reliable source of information at all.
- robotrout 7y ago
  How about this one? https://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/ https://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/
  - sctb 7y ago
    Since we've had to ask you many times to please stop using this site for ideological battle, we've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- narrator 7y ago
  When anything has a disagreeable explanation there becomes a strong presumption that it happened "all by itself". For example, the huge increase in crime in Sweden in recent years has also happened "all by itself". "Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. "[1] Gang violence just spills like a liquid into different places "all by itself" and that's a reason why crime is rising. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime...
- bennettfeely 7y ago
  > Although there was no immediate evidence of a connection, France has seen a number of attacks on Catholic churches in the past year, including arson and vandalism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cathedral-is-on-fire/2019/04/15/c487906e-5fa1-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cat... https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800 https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-fra...
localhostdotdev 7y ago
aleteia seems to just be a catholic media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleteia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleteia seems like it's an almost official catholic source
sctb 7y ago
> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- deleted 7y ago
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matt4077 7y ago

Let’s not peddle flimsy rumors, especially not those accusing certain groups (as made here using the linked article). There is nothing to be lost in waiting for actual investigative results. And, fwiw, the early images clearly point to the fire breaking out in the roof, where construction scaffolds are clearly visible in all the images.

robotrout 7y ago
To be sure, always wait for proof before acting. But pattern recognition is a thing. Although there was no evidence of a connection, France has seen a number of attacks on Catholic churches in the past year, including arson and vandalism. Paris’s Church of St. Suplice was set on fire after midday mass last month. No one was injured Police are investigating, but firefighters attributed the blaze to arson. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cathedral-is-on-fire/2019/04/15/c487906e-5fa1-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html?utm_term=.a19fa6484602 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cat...

ritz_labringue 7y ago

This does not look like a reliable source of information at all.

robotrout 7y ago
How about this one? https://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/ https://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/
- sctb 7y ago
  Since we've had to ask you many times to please stop using this site for ideological battle, we've banned the account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
narrator 7y ago
When anything has a disagreeable explanation there becomes a strong presumption that it happened "all by itself". For example, the huge increase in crime in Sweden in recent years has also happened "all by itself". "Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. "[1] Gang violence just spills like a liquid into different places "all by itself" and that's a reason why crime is rising. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime...
bennettfeely 7y ago
> Although there was no immediate evidence of a connection, France has seen a number of attacks on Catholic churches in the past year, including arson and vandalism. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cathedral-is-on-fire/2019/04/15/c487906e-5fa1-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pariss-notre-cat... https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-france-sees-altars-desecrated-christ-statue-1370800 https://www.newsweek.com/spate-attacks-catholic-churches-fra...

localhostdotdev 7y ago

aleteia seems to just be a catholic media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleteia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleteia seems like it's an almost official catholic source

sctb 7y ago

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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