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The saddest thing will be losing the stained glass windows. Those have been somehow preserved for centuries but are going to get severely damaged here.

justinator 7y ago
I mean the entire cathedral has already been severely damaged. These things are in a state of constant rebuilding - it's took many generations just to get built. Notre Dame will be fine.
- lm28469 7y ago
  > Notre Dame will be fine. The walls maybe, but the roof is mostly wood, made 800+ years ago, it's gone, the statues, the drapes, the windows, the bells and the clock are gone forever.
  - nailer 7y ago
    Expect photogrametry recreaton of every statue.
    - callahad 7y ago
      Do we even have that data?
      - blotter_paper 7y ago
        For some resolution and completeness, certainly. The rest can be inferred. It won't be perfect, of course, but I'd be surprised if it isn't attempted at some point.
      - rnadd89 7y ago
        https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-tallon-notre-dame-cathedral-laser-scan-art-history-medieval-gothic/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-ta... Apparently there are 3D laser scans of the whole cathedral
      - nailer 7y ago
        You know what photogrammetry is, right? Yes there are lots of photographs of Notre Dame.
    - CydeWeys 7y ago
      There's a difference between a copy and an original. And a huge difference between a hand-carved statue and a CNC-carved one.
      - walterstucco 7y ago
        Paris Is almost completely a copy of Rome so...
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Some of the walls could collapse too with a fire like this.
    - agumonkey 7y ago
      I was wondering if heavy metal objects on top of wood frame could create damages in other places when falling
  - jcranmer 7y ago
    16 statues had apparently been removed during the restoration, a few days ago, so those are still fine.
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- ocdtrekkie 7y ago
  I have significant doubts much will survive at this point. I am not an expert, by any means, but once a large part of the upper building has, it's pretty darn hard to contain. There is a lot of stone, and I presume a lot of that will survive in some form or another, but how much of the actual construction as a whole...
  - bdz 7y ago
    Should be fine like how the Dresden Frauenkirche were rebuilt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Frauenkirche#Reconstruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Frauenkirche#Reconstru...
    - acjohnson55 7y ago
      Notre Dame is more than twice as old, and presumably contains cultural artifacts vastly more culturally important. There will be a Notre Dame again, and it will look the same to casual visitors, but it won't be fine.
  - justinator 7y ago
    There's significant history of the building being in disrepair and being restored. Cathedrals are living buildings in constant flux. I sound crass and insensitive, but that's the nature of these cathedrals. Restoration started on Notre Dame before it was ever, "finished". The building has, at times, been completely abandoned. Am I shocked and saddened for this fire? Yes of course, I lived on the Rue de Roi de Sicile - a few minutes walk. I've drawn it many times. Do I have hope for the future of the installation? It's France: of course I do.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > Notre Dame will be fine. Are we watching the same stream? The entire roof is gone already.
  - timthorn 7y ago
    York Minster suffered a massive fire after a lightning strike, but was restored: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-28112373 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-2...
    - pmyteh 7y ago
      That wasn't so bad - the damage was concentrated on one of the transepts (the short 'arms' of the cross-shaped floor plan) and took out the roof but not the walls. The damage was repaired in four years at a cost of only a few million pounds. This is much worse. Also, York Minster (like, I suspect, Notre Dame) has world-class stonemasons and glaziers with expertise in medieval building methods, which certainly helps with the restoration.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Parts of it have already collapsed just since you wrote your comment. It's way too early to say it 'will be fine'. A fire like this could destroy the entire structure.
  - justinator 7y ago
    Doesn't look like the entire structure was destroyed.
- swamp40 7y ago
  This is fine. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/this-is-fine.0.jpg https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/...
- Silhouette 7y ago
  Notre Dame will be fine. Sadly, no, it won't. The area where the fire looks worst was already deteriorating significantly -- if you visited in recent years, you would have seen heavy duty nets and the like to control damaged masonry, for example -- and you have a lot of materials that are either combustible or at the very least susceptible to heat damage of one kind or another. One of the great architectural wonders is falling apart before our eyes, and it is just very, very sad. [Edit: Shortly after I wrote this, the spire fell. A spokesman for the cathedral has confirmed that they do not expect any of the timber interior to survive the fire. So, so sad.]
- cvoss 7y ago
  This is my hope and belief as well. Without the fire, much of it was going to have to be replaced/reconstructed at some point in the future anyway. It's an 850 year old building. In order to maintain it, we have to face the Ship of Theseus problem [0] and accept that it is a dynamic building, not a perfectly preserved snapshot of 1345 or whenever you consider it "done being built". The reconstruction of the spire in the 1800s shows that this has already been happening. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

justinator 7y ago

I mean the entire cathedral has already been severely damaged. These things are in a state of constant rebuilding - it's took many generations just to get built. Notre Dame will be fine.

lm28469 7y ago
> Notre Dame will be fine. The walls maybe, but the roof is mostly wood, made 800+ years ago, it's gone, the statues, the drapes, the windows, the bells and the clock are gone forever.
- nailer 7y ago
  Expect photogrametry recreaton of every statue.
  - callahad 7y ago
    Do we even have that data?
    - blotter_paper 7y ago
      For some resolution and completeness, certainly. The rest can be inferred. It won't be perfect, of course, but I'd be surprised if it isn't attempted at some point.
    - rnadd89 7y ago
      https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-tallon-notre-dame-cathedral-laser-scan-art-history-medieval-gothic/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150622-andrew-ta... Apparently there are 3D laser scans of the whole cathedral
    - nailer 7y ago
      You know what photogrammetry is, right? Yes there are lots of photographs of Notre Dame.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    There's a difference between a copy and an original. And a huge difference between a hand-carved statue and a CNC-carved one.
    - walterstucco 7y ago
      Paris Is almost completely a copy of Rome so...
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Some of the walls could collapse too with a fire like this.
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    I was wondering if heavy metal objects on top of wood frame could create damages in other places when falling
- jcranmer 7y ago
  16 statues had apparently been removed during the restoration, a few days ago, so those are still fine.
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ocdtrekkie 7y ago
I have significant doubts much will survive at this point. I am not an expert, by any means, but once a large part of the upper building has, it's pretty darn hard to contain. There is a lot of stone, and I presume a lot of that will survive in some form or another, but how much of the actual construction as a whole...
- bdz 7y ago
  Should be fine like how the Dresden Frauenkirche were rebuilt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Frauenkirche#Reconstruction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Frauenkirche#Reconstru...
  - acjohnson55 7y ago
    Notre Dame is more than twice as old, and presumably contains cultural artifacts vastly more culturally important. There will be a Notre Dame again, and it will look the same to casual visitors, but it won't be fine.
- justinator 7y ago
  There's significant history of the building being in disrepair and being restored. Cathedrals are living buildings in constant flux. I sound crass and insensitive, but that's the nature of these cathedrals. Restoration started on Notre Dame before it was ever, "finished". The building has, at times, been completely abandoned. Am I shocked and saddened for this fire? Yes of course, I lived on the Rue de Roi de Sicile - a few minutes walk. I've drawn it many times. Do I have hope for the future of the installation? It's France: of course I do.
chrisseaton 7y ago
> Notre Dame will be fine. Are we watching the same stream? The entire roof is gone already.
- timthorn 7y ago
  York Minster suffered a massive fire after a lightning strike, but was restored: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-28112373 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-2...
  - pmyteh 7y ago
    That wasn't so bad - the damage was concentrated on one of the transepts (the short 'arms' of the cross-shaped floor plan) and took out the roof but not the walls. The damage was repaired in four years at a cost of only a few million pounds. This is much worse. Also, York Minster (like, I suspect, Notre Dame) has world-class stonemasons and glaziers with expertise in medieval building methods, which certainly helps with the restoration.
CydeWeys 7y ago
Parts of it have already collapsed just since you wrote your comment. It's way too early to say it 'will be fine'. A fire like this could destroy the entire structure.
- justinator 7y ago
  Doesn't look like the entire structure was destroyed.
swamp40 7y ago
This is fine. https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/this-is-fine.0.jpg https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/...
Silhouette 7y ago
Notre Dame will be fine. Sadly, no, it won't. The area where the fire looks worst was already deteriorating significantly -- if you visited in recent years, you would have seen heavy duty nets and the like to control damaged masonry, for example -- and you have a lot of materials that are either combustible or at the very least susceptible to heat damage of one kind or another. One of the great architectural wonders is falling apart before our eyes, and it is just very, very sad. [Edit: Shortly after I wrote this, the spire fell. A spokesman for the cathedral has confirmed that they do not expect any of the timber interior to survive the fire. So, so sad.]
cvoss 7y ago
This is my hope and belief as well. Without the fire, much of it was going to have to be replaced/reconstructed at some point in the future anyway. It's an 850 year old building. In order to maintain it, we have to face the Ship of Theseus problem [0] and accept that it is a dynamic building, not a perfectly preserved snapshot of 1345 or whenever you consider it "done being built". The reconstruction of the spire in the 1800s shows that this has already been happening. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus