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Every space launch and every large object in orbit are trivially observable. Even when the NRO launches top secret spy satellites that they barely acknowledge t

Every space launch and every large object in orbit are trivially observable. Even when the NRO launches top secret spy satellites that they barely acknowledge the existence of, we know exactly when the launch is. Thanks to the cold-war risk of nuclear ICBMs, every launch is publicly announced to reduce the risk of false positives in an early warning system. In light of this, your proposition is impossible without also supposing the organization backing this hypothetical operation also has the ability to perfectly suppress all information related to the project. Literal back yard astronomers would notice every single launch, and every single "spy satellite" that disappeared off into space if the launches were announced but the payload kept secret. You're basically speculating that there exists an organization capable of perfectly controlling all information worldwide. If that were true, there's hardly any point in worrying about it. In such a situation, we could be living in the Matrix for all we know and there really wouldn't be anything we could do about it.

dosy 8y ago
unnecessary. visual cloaking. are you watching objects in 5th gen FLIR? zero radar cross section. even USAF has acknowledged craft you can't trivially observe. your point is rubbish.
- simias 8y ago
  This way of talking (using very short nominal sentences, citing many more or less related next to one another) seems very common among conspiracy theorists. I genuinely wonder where that comes from and if it's a conscious choice or some memetic imitation.
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  - dosy 8y ago
    associating me with conspiracy theorist by my way of talking. points for a very well formed insult. I'm impressed by how much you got in a small amount of space: criticize my way of talkin, associate me with conspiracy theorist, suggest that I'm behaving unconsciously or mimetically imitating others in a robotic fashion. and all without making it look like an overt insult, giving you pre-emptive cover in case someone accuses you of insulting them. really quite brilliant. now what could have justified this expenditure of effort on your part towards me? and what sort of experiences in your life would have driven you to develop the skills to become an expert at crafting these sort of subtle insults towards others? those to me the really interesting things to think about. are you following me better now? my phrasing is now more in sync with your brain? on the face of it, if you have a problem with my way of talking, that's your problem not mine. but please I don't think you're being very genuine, I think the real reason for your comment is yet to be discovered. let me think some more about it. okay I think you were just having a bad day and were really angry and wanted someone to project onto and take it out on. sorry I don't accept your offer. you keep your fury it's yours. okay the next interesting point is conspiracy theory. I mean are you scared of that term? do you think it's a term of abuse? see because we're making theories about conspiracies. what's wrong with that? I guess you're just deluded by the social programming into thinking that term conspiracy theory is a shaming word. well that's just blinkers for your mind to stop you thinking dangerous thoughts. maybe you need that kind of thing. but me I'm okay with my mind. it's not my problem if you're not okay with yours and you need someone else to decide what you're allowed to think. who's mimetically imitating now, robot? hope your today is better than the day you commented.
- 0xffff2 8y ago
  You seem to be assigning the capabilities of stealth aircraft to space launches. The energies involved are radically different. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone has anything even approaching the technology needed to conduct an undetectable orbital launch. Again, I'd refer to the well-publicized launches of top secret NRO payloads. If the US government could launch those payloads without telling anyone, wouldn't they do it? You've officially gone from leaning over the ledge to taking a flying leap into crazy land in my book.
  - dosy 8y ago
    orbital launch energy takes so much because you have to overcome gravity. recorded maneuvers of these Craft turning at thousands of miles per hour doing right angles indicates they don't have to care about gravity. so getting out of Earth's orbit shouldn't take so much energy besides there's never any heat signature or obvious propulsion system shown, so no it wouldn't show some trace if leaving. actually it's pretty crazy to convince yourself that something's crazy just because you don't want to think about it. you could just admit that the thought scares you and then start dealing with your feelings, that would be the sane thing to do.

dosy 8y ago

unnecessary. visual cloaking. are you watching objects in 5th gen FLIR? zero radar cross section. even USAF has acknowledged craft you can't trivially observe. your point is rubbish.

simias 8y ago
This way of talking (using very short nominal sentences, citing many more or less related next to one another) seems very common among conspiracy theorists. I genuinely wonder where that comes from and if it's a conscious choice or some memetic imitation.
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- dosy 8y ago
  associating me with conspiracy theorist by my way of talking. points for a very well formed insult. I'm impressed by how much you got in a small amount of space: criticize my way of talkin, associate me with conspiracy theorist, suggest that I'm behaving unconsciously or mimetically imitating others in a robotic fashion. and all without making it look like an overt insult, giving you pre-emptive cover in case someone accuses you of insulting them. really quite brilliant. now what could have justified this expenditure of effort on your part towards me? and what sort of experiences in your life would have driven you to develop the skills to become an expert at crafting these sort of subtle insults towards others? those to me the really interesting things to think about. are you following me better now? my phrasing is now more in sync with your brain? on the face of it, if you have a problem with my way of talking, that's your problem not mine. but please I don't think you're being very genuine, I think the real reason for your comment is yet to be discovered. let me think some more about it. okay I think you were just having a bad day and were really angry and wanted someone to project onto and take it out on. sorry I don't accept your offer. you keep your fury it's yours. okay the next interesting point is conspiracy theory. I mean are you scared of that term? do you think it's a term of abuse? see because we're making theories about conspiracies. what's wrong with that? I guess you're just deluded by the social programming into thinking that term conspiracy theory is a shaming word. well that's just blinkers for your mind to stop you thinking dangerous thoughts. maybe you need that kind of thing. but me I'm okay with my mind. it's not my problem if you're not okay with yours and you need someone else to decide what you're allowed to think. who's mimetically imitating now, robot? hope your today is better than the day you commented.
0xffff2 8y ago
You seem to be assigning the capabilities of stealth aircraft to space launches. The energies involved are radically different. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that anyone has anything even approaching the technology needed to conduct an undetectable orbital launch. Again, I'd refer to the well-publicized launches of top secret NRO payloads. If the US government could launch those payloads without telling anyone, wouldn't they do it? You've officially gone from leaning over the ledge to taking a flying leap into crazy land in my book.
- dosy 8y ago
  orbital launch energy takes so much because you have to overcome gravity. recorded maneuvers of these Craft turning at thousands of miles per hour doing right angles indicates they don't have to care about gravity. so getting out of Earth's orbit shouldn't take so much energy besides there's never any heat signature or obvious propulsion system shown, so no it wouldn't show some trace if leaving. actually it's pretty crazy to convince yourself that something's crazy just because you don't want to think about it. you could just admit that the thought scares you and then start dealing with your feelings, that would be the sane thing to do.