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Solaris 10 with the SUNWCxall metacluster plus tons of self-compiled, linked and packaged software. If you want to do programming, Windows is totally the wrong

Solaris 10 with the SUNWCxall metacluster plus tons of self-compiled, linked and packaged software. If you want to do programming, Windows is totally the wrong operating system for that: it's slow, bloated, vulnerable to viruses and the tools like Visual Studio are designed to dumb you down as programmer as much as possible under the pretense of productivity. You can probably get some use out of running the Linux subsystem for Windows, it will have lots of programming tools like AWK, ksh, flex, bison, make, m4, php, maybe even Steel Bank Common Lisp... My second choice would be a Mac with macOS. I personally haven't seen anyone in past ten years or perhaps more using Windows, let alone for programming at any businesses I worked at. Whereever I went, everybody's using Macs with macOS to do development. Is Windows even still a thing, or are you looking to explore Windows programming as a curious hobby past-time?

lvoudour 8y ago
I personally haven't seen anyone in past ten years or perhaps more using Windows, let alone for programming at any businesses I worked at. Whereever I went, everybody's using Macs with macOS to do development. Is Windows even still a thing, or are you looking to explore Windows programming as a curious hobby past-time? I'm sorry, but this is the archetypal "living in a bubble" comment (that is becoming very common on HN lately). First of all the OP didn't ask "which is the best OS for development", there's probably a good reason he/she needs to work on windows. And second, wondering if windows is still a thing for development and assuming macs are the standard, is absurd and detached from reality. I'll refrain from guessing your line of work (although I have my suspicion) but I'm pretty sure you never worked e.g. in electronics, sensing, finance, etc.
orange8 8y ago
Hmmmm... The latest stack-overflow developers survey doesn't seem to agree with you. Maybe its just in your locality that windows doesnt exist? https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2019&utm_content=launch-blog#technology-_-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so...
- Annatar 8y ago
  Because we know that "Stackoverflow" is some sort of an authority, right? Come on... don't trust anyone on the Internet (not even me). The only experience you can trust is the one you experience yourself. There is no authority to defer to, the computer industry is notoriously full of examples where superior technology failed because most people working on and with computers are pathologically ignorant, exactly the people who should be knowledgeable. Or perhaps better: "trust, but verify". For example, 51%-something self-identified as "full stack" developers, yet most people fall into three to five years of experience. If I tell you that "full stack" means one is capable of designing one's own server hardware, network and infrastructure all the way up to writing application software, it becomes apparent that people who identified as "full stack developers" don't even rightly know what that means yet they obviously at three to five years of experience think that they do. And now we're right back to pathological ignorance specific to computer industry. Or are all those people geniuses who learned hardware engineering, application programming, network, system and database administration in three to five years, something which normally takes decades of apprenticeship under dedicated mentors to master? These surveys are nonsense, waste of disk space and electricity. Trust, but verify, that's the lesson here. And think critically for yourself.
  - HelloNurse 8y ago
    From the point of view of everyone else, "Don't trust anyone on the Internet" applies to you. If you doubt that Windows has serious users, it means that you live in a very low diversity bubble of non-Windows users, presumably a bubble of Mackintosh-only workplaces and generic Linux cloud servers. Then, why should anyone give any weight to your objectively uninformed opinions about Windows? You must admit that, compared to you, the crowd of Stack Overflow users is an "authority" because it includes actual Windows users.
    - Annatar 8y ago
      "From the point of view of everyone else, "Don't trust anyone on the Internet" applies to you." That's what I wrote, but it seems you got into a tizzy over "is Windows still a thing?" and it was "good night" after that for you. The crowd, at "Stack overflow" or anywhere else will never and has in the history of human kind never been an authority on anything. If anything, the crowds have killed innocent people by burning them at the stake, stoning or lynching them. So crowds are about as dumb as one can find. "Hacker" "news" at its finest again.
dagw 8y ago
I personally haven't seen anyone in past ten years or perhaps more using Windows And I haven't worked anywhere in the past 10 years that wasn't 90+% Windows. Hell if I was just to go on what I see at work, Linux is more popular the macOS.
frooxie 8y ago
After 30 years in IT, I've never once seen anyone use a Mac for anything business-related, much less programming. That is not an exaggeration. (At my current company, we're using 75% Windows, 25% Linux.)

lvoudour 8y ago

I personally haven't seen anyone in past ten years or perhaps more using Windows, let alone for programming at any businesses I worked at. Whereever I went, everybody's using Macs with macOS to do development. Is Windows even still a thing, or are you looking to explore Windows programming as a curious hobby past-time? I'm sorry, but this is the archetypal "living in a bubble" comment (that is becoming very common on HN lately). First of all the OP didn't ask "which is the best OS for development", there's probably a good reason he/she needs to work on windows. And second, wondering if windows is still a thing for development and assuming macs are the standard, is absurd and detached from reality. I'll refrain from guessing your line of work (although I have my suspicion) but I'm pretty sure you never worked e.g. in electronics, sensing, finance, etc.

orange8 8y ago

Hmmmm... The latest stack-overflow developers survey doesn't seem to agree with you. Maybe its just in your locality that windows doesnt exist? https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so-owned&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=dev-survey-2019&utm_content=launch-blog#technology-_-developers-primary-operating-systems https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so...

Annatar 8y ago
Because we know that "Stackoverflow" is some sort of an authority, right? Come on... don't trust anyone on the Internet (not even me). The only experience you can trust is the one you experience yourself. There is no authority to defer to, the computer industry is notoriously full of examples where superior technology failed because most people working on and with computers are pathologically ignorant, exactly the people who should be knowledgeable. Or perhaps better: "trust, but verify". For example, 51%-something self-identified as "full stack" developers, yet most people fall into three to five years of experience. If I tell you that "full stack" means one is capable of designing one's own server hardware, network and infrastructure all the way up to writing application software, it becomes apparent that people who identified as "full stack developers" don't even rightly know what that means yet they obviously at three to five years of experience think that they do. And now we're right back to pathological ignorance specific to computer industry. Or are all those people geniuses who learned hardware engineering, application programming, network, system and database administration in three to five years, something which normally takes decades of apprenticeship under dedicated mentors to master? These surveys are nonsense, waste of disk space and electricity. Trust, but verify, that's the lesson here. And think critically for yourself.
- HelloNurse 8y ago
  From the point of view of everyone else, "Don't trust anyone on the Internet" applies to you. If you doubt that Windows has serious users, it means that you live in a very low diversity bubble of non-Windows users, presumably a bubble of Mackintosh-only workplaces and generic Linux cloud servers. Then, why should anyone give any weight to your objectively uninformed opinions about Windows? You must admit that, compared to you, the crowd of Stack Overflow users is an "authority" because it includes actual Windows users.
  - Annatar 8y ago
    "From the point of view of everyone else, "Don't trust anyone on the Internet" applies to you." That's what I wrote, but it seems you got into a tizzy over "is Windows still a thing?" and it was "good night" after that for you. The crowd, at "Stack overflow" or anywhere else will never and has in the history of human kind never been an authority on anything. If anything, the crowds have killed innocent people by burning them at the stake, stoning or lynching them. So crowds are about as dumb as one can find. "Hacker" "news" at its finest again.

dagw 8y ago

I personally haven't seen anyone in past ten years or perhaps more using Windows And I haven't worked anywhere in the past 10 years that wasn't 90+% Windows. Hell if I was just to go on what I see at work, Linux is more popular the macOS.

frooxie 8y ago

After 30 years in IT, I've never once seen anyone use a Mac for anything business-related, much less programming. That is not an exaggeration. (At my current company, we're using 75% Windows, 25% Linux.)