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You dont need a like button to track someone. Of course your isp tracks you to see if you download copyrighted content. Your outrage is pretty selective all bas

You dont need a like button to track someone. Of course your isp tracks you to see if you download copyrighted content. Your outrage is pretty selective all based on a non concrete potential threat which exist with everything from google to your phone to ycombinator to google analytics. Give me a concrete missuse, not just specualtions based on selctively who you like or dont.

Nextgrid 8y ago
My ISP does not actually track me to detect copyright infringement. Companies appointed by the right holders detect infringement by posing as other fellow pirates and waiting for your torrent client to share parts of the copyrighted content with them. They don’t track you per-se, they just use the torrent protocol how it’s supposed to be used which inherently discloses your IP address. > which exist with everything from google to your phone to ycombinator to google analytics I keep my Google usage to a minimum and Google Analytics is blocked by an ad-blocker on all my devices. Just because I’m talking about Facebook here doesn’t mean Google is good. All non-opt-in tracking needs to die. If tracking is so good and harmless then surely making it opt-in wouldn’t make a difference as everyone would opt-in anyway, right? > ycombinator YC’s business model is not cancerous and does not involve tracking people, so even if they have the possibility to do so (although their tracking would be nowhere near what FB does) I trust them not to do it just because they don’t need to. > Give me a concrete missuse, not just specualtions based on selctively who you like or dont. Not really misuse (the system worked exactly as designed), but here’s an example of how tracking can backfire: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ... Also, do we have to wait for misuse to happen before taking steps to prevent it? We know it’s possible and such a goldmine of data can be very damaging if misused, so why wait for it to actually be misused? Let’s take action now and make sure it can’t be misused in the future.
- ThomPete 8y ago
  Again you keep giving examples of potential misuse you don't provide any concrete examples. That's like asking me to support a fight against cars because they can be used to run over people potentially. I have no problem with you not using FB and trying to stay as anonymous as possible, but if you want to use the internet and it's many services I just not sure why I should support you when you want to take action against services I like to use.
  - Nextgrid 8y ago
    Okay, here's an example of misuse: https://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats https://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-te... The same thing can happen with the data being collected by the various advertising trackers. It's even worse because unlike text messages, you don't even know what kind of data the trackers are silently collecting. > but if you want to use the internet and it's many services I just not sure why I should support you when you want to take action against services I like to use. I don't have a problem with you using those services. All I want is for those services to respect people's privacy and make tracking opt-in, so people like you can continue to use them, while people like me no longer have to worry about being stalked.
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      But as far as you have shown so far, they are respecting it.

Nextgrid 8y ago

My ISP does not actually track me to detect copyright infringement. Companies appointed by the right holders detect infringement by posing as other fellow pirates and waiting for your torrent client to share parts of the copyrighted content with them. They don’t track you per-se, they just use the torrent protocol how it’s supposed to be used which inherently discloses your IP address. > which exist with everything from google to your phone to ycombinator to google analytics I keep my Google usage to a minimum and Google Analytics is blocked by an ad-blocker on all my devices. Just because I’m talking about Facebook here doesn’t mean Google is good. All non-opt-in tracking needs to die. If tracking is so good and harmless then surely making it opt-in wouldn’t make a difference as everyone would opt-in anyway, right? > ycombinator YC’s business model is not cancerous and does not involve tracking people, so even if they have the possibility to do so (although their tracking would be nowhere near what FB does) I trust them not to do it just because they don’t need to. > Give me a concrete missuse, not just specualtions based on selctively who you like or dont. Not really misuse (the system worked exactly as designed), but here’s an example of how tracking can backfire: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-targ... Also, do we have to wait for misuse to happen before taking steps to prevent it? We know it’s possible and such a goldmine of data can be very damaging if misused, so why wait for it to actually be misused? Let’s take action now and make sure it can’t be misused in the future.

ThomPete 8y ago
Again you keep giving examples of potential misuse you don't provide any concrete examples. That's like asking me to support a fight against cars because they can be used to run over people potentially. I have no problem with you not using FB and trying to stay as anonymous as possible, but if you want to use the internet and it's many services I just not sure why I should support you when you want to take action against services I like to use.
- Nextgrid 8y ago
  Okay, here's an example of misuse: https://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats https://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-te... The same thing can happen with the data being collected by the various advertising trackers. It's even worse because unlike text messages, you don't even know what kind of data the trackers are silently collecting. > but if you want to use the internet and it's many services I just not sure why I should support you when you want to take action against services I like to use. I don't have a problem with you using those services. All I want is for those services to respect people's privacy and make tracking opt-in, so people like you can continue to use them, while people like me no longer have to worry about being stalked.
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    But as far as you have shown so far, they are respecting it.