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While both are reprehensible behavior, supply information to the US government and being fundamentally linked with the Chinese Communist government aren't even

While both are reprehensible behavior, supply information to the US government and being fundamentally linked with the Chinese Communist government aren't even close. It's like comparing a school yard bully to a serial killer. Political dissenters don't disappear when AT&T shares information with the FBI. We really need to question how so many Westerners have gotten to a point that they some how see an equivalence.

theNextEpisode 8y ago
America have committed plenty of atrocities. Just because you're on their side doesn't make them blameless.
- ta531531531 8y ago
  "not blameless" != "equally bad"
- AlexB138 8y ago
  Where did I say they were blameless? There are varying degrees of bad behavior, and while the US Government has a whole host of actions they can be validly criticized for, they're not even in the same ball park as the PRC. As I said, we really need to consider how so many Westerners have become so blind to that fact that this weak whataboutism can we depended on when any mention of China is made.
  - dis-sys 8y ago
    > There are varying degrees of bad behavior As a Chinese citizen, my tax money has never been used by the CCP to launch foreign wars killing innocent civilians. You have blood on your hand every time when you pay your tax $ to fund those wars. Take that and reconsider your "whataboutism" comment.
- zarkov99 8y ago
  Nobody is blameless, but some nations have better track records than others, and America's, all things considered, is pretty good for a superpower.
shittyadmin 8y ago
I think the main factor here is that the Chinese government spying on me likely would have no impact on my life, while the US government spying on me has a direct impact. So as an average US citizen, I should be far more concerned about US spying than Chinese spying. I absolutely agree though, I'd be far more afraid of using a Chinese device as a Chinese citizen than as an American citizen using an American device. China has far worse human rights abuses, it's just the ways they can impact most Americans are minimal in comparison. I feel it's reasonable for an individual to be concerned about your own country's human rights abuses first and foremost as those are the ones you're personally most likely to contend with.
- dis-sys 8y ago
  > I feel it's reasonable for an individual to be concerned about your own country's human rights abuses first and foremost as those are the ones you're personally most likely to contend with. That is why you should tell your government to stop making such false claims against Huawei and violate your human rights. When your government keeps telling your that Huawei is spying on US citizens, what is the evidence they have? If there is no evidence, how such behaviour is not for intentionally creating fear to US citizens? How that is not human right abuse? Trust yourself, you deserve to know the truth and see the evidence, you don't have to live in the fear created by the government funded using your tax $. Tell them to show you the evidence or just shut their big mouth up.
Buldak 8y ago
Even if China is guilty of worse than the United States, it's not clear to me that that should be salient to Americans. I'd submit that, although China is constantly presented as a rival, Americans are much more likely to be harmed by their own government than by China's. (Americans should also be concerned about this because they are, to some extent, responsible for it themselves.) If that's true, then perhaps they should indeed be more critical of AT&T than Huawei.

theNextEpisode 8y ago

America have committed plenty of atrocities. Just because you're on their side doesn't make them blameless.

ta531531531 8y ago
"not blameless" != "equally bad"
AlexB138 8y ago
Where did I say they were blameless? There are varying degrees of bad behavior, and while the US Government has a whole host of actions they can be validly criticized for, they're not even in the same ball park as the PRC. As I said, we really need to consider how so many Westerners have become so blind to that fact that this weak whataboutism can we depended on when any mention of China is made.
- dis-sys 8y ago
  > There are varying degrees of bad behavior As a Chinese citizen, my tax money has never been used by the CCP to launch foreign wars killing innocent civilians. You have blood on your hand every time when you pay your tax $ to fund those wars. Take that and reconsider your "whataboutism" comment.
zarkov99 8y ago
Nobody is blameless, but some nations have better track records than others, and America's, all things considered, is pretty good for a superpower.

shittyadmin 8y ago

I think the main factor here is that the Chinese government spying on me likely would have no impact on my life, while the US government spying on me has a direct impact. So as an average US citizen, I should be far more concerned about US spying than Chinese spying. I absolutely agree though, I'd be far more afraid of using a Chinese device as a Chinese citizen than as an American citizen using an American device. China has far worse human rights abuses, it's just the ways they can impact most Americans are minimal in comparison. I feel it's reasonable for an individual to be concerned about your own country's human rights abuses first and foremost as those are the ones you're personally most likely to contend with.

dis-sys 8y ago
> I feel it's reasonable for an individual to be concerned about your own country's human rights abuses first and foremost as those are the ones you're personally most likely to contend with. That is why you should tell your government to stop making such false claims against Huawei and violate your human rights. When your government keeps telling your that Huawei is spying on US citizens, what is the evidence they have? If there is no evidence, how such behaviour is not for intentionally creating fear to US citizens? How that is not human right abuse? Trust yourself, you deserve to know the truth and see the evidence, you don't have to live in the fear created by the government funded using your tax $. Tell them to show you the evidence or just shut their big mouth up.

Buldak 8y ago

Even if China is guilty of worse than the United States, it's not clear to me that that should be salient to Americans. I'd submit that, although China is constantly presented as a rival, Americans are much more likely to be harmed by their own government than by China's. (Americans should also be concerned about this because they are, to some extent, responsible for it themselves.) If that's true, then perhaps they should indeed be more critical of AT&T than Huawei.