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I have personally decided to avoid buying 'Made in China' products whenever it's possible. It's hard, but I don't want to support their work conditions or preda

I have personally decided to avoid buying 'Made in China' products whenever it's possible. It's hard, but I don't want to support their work conditions or predatory geoeconomics in any way.

archgoon 8y ago
This is a more extreme position than many people are comfortable taking (and is perhaps not reasonable or consistent), but it is a fair position to take, and is not expressed in an inflammatory or demeaning way. Please do not kill this comment; I think it is a good seed for discussion relevant to the article (should the US ban Huawei because it is controlled by the (adversarial) Chinese government? If so, what's the cutoff for 'controlled by the government'?). I say this because it had been killed just moments after being posted, and I think that was unwarranted.
tyingq 8y ago
"Hard" seems understated in this case. I imagine there are whole categories of products where at least one important subsystem is made in China. Can I buy a car with zero chance that any of the electronics were made or assembled in China? Similar for phones, computers.
layoutIfNeeded 8y ago
What kind of computer are you posting from?
- matz1 8y ago
  What is your point ? even if its impossible to do it 100%, at least they tried. Its their choice.
  - tyingq 8y ago
    I think the question is whether it even approaches 1% for anything with electronics in it. Can you buy a car, phone, PC, etc, that has zero made or assembled in China subsystems?
    - matz1 8y ago
      The percentages is irrelevant, you have to start from somewhere and keep making incremental progress toward your goal, however tiny it may.
- joaomacp 8y ago
  I bought it before I committed to this decision, and as others have said it's nearly impossible to avoid Made In China products completely, but here goes: USA companies: Corsair - case, PSU; Intel - CPU; Razer (also has HQ in HongKong/Singapore) - mouse; Taiwanese companies: MSI - motherboard and GPU; ASUS - monitor; CoolerMaster - keyboard; Of course most of them buy stuff from Chinese suppliers, but you can only do so much.
vetinari 8y ago
Good luck with that. Most electronics contains components, that were made in China.
luckylion 8y ago
I understand the sentiment. Do you also avoid "made in america" for those reasons?
zwaps 8y ago
While you can not buy products where no part is made in China, you very often have a choice where to allocate profits from your purchase. For example, if you buy Huawei phones, then most of the money goes to China. If you buy from a non-Chinese company, the extend is less. As to the people who just instinctively respond with whataboutism: China is a dictatorship that not only commits genocide against Muslims in Xingjiang, they are also overtly hostile to anyone, especially any country, not directly supporting their view of censorship and social control. How you personally deal with the US and US products, is your choice. In the same way. But let me say one thing: As many faults as the US has, it has nothing on China when it comes to the suppression of freedom of speech. For example, everyone and their mom makes fun of Trump, and Americans. Or Germans, or British. Or whatever. But make fun of China or the CCP in any way, and a wave of threats, both political and personal, descent upon you - up to the highest level. Ask that Swedish TV show... And you better never set foot into China after that. Anyone who has the slightest idea about Chinese face culture, and its political environment, know that the two countries are simply not comparable in that regard. And whatever wrongs the US has, it has them for completely different reasons.

I have personally decided to avoid buying 'Made in China' products whenever it's possible. It's hard, but I don't want to support their work conditions or predatory geoeconomics in any way.

archgoon 8y ago

This is a more extreme position than many people are comfortable taking (and is perhaps not reasonable or consistent), but it is a fair position to take, and is not expressed in an inflammatory or demeaning way. Please do not kill this comment; I think it is a good seed for discussion relevant to the article (should the US ban Huawei because it is controlled by the (adversarial) Chinese government? If so, what's the cutoff for 'controlled by the government'?). I say this because it had been killed just moments after being posted, and I think that was unwarranted.

tyingq 8y ago

"Hard" seems understated in this case. I imagine there are whole categories of products where at least one important subsystem is made in China. Can I buy a car with zero chance that any of the electronics were made or assembled in China? Similar for phones, computers.

layoutIfNeeded 8y ago

What kind of computer are you posting from?

matz1 8y ago
What is your point ? even if its impossible to do it 100%, at least they tried. Its their choice.
- tyingq 8y ago
  I think the question is whether it even approaches 1% for anything with electronics in it. Can you buy a car, phone, PC, etc, that has zero made or assembled in China subsystems?
  - matz1 8y ago
    The percentages is irrelevant, you have to start from somewhere and keep making incremental progress toward your goal, however tiny it may.
joaomacp 8y ago
I bought it before I committed to this decision, and as others have said it's nearly impossible to avoid Made In China products completely, but here goes: USA companies: Corsair - case, PSU; Intel - CPU; Razer (also has HQ in HongKong/Singapore) - mouse; Taiwanese companies: MSI - motherboard and GPU; ASUS - monitor; CoolerMaster - keyboard; Of course most of them buy stuff from Chinese suppliers, but you can only do so much.

vetinari 8y ago

Good luck with that. Most electronics contains components, that were made in China.

luckylion 8y ago

I understand the sentiment. Do you also avoid "made in america" for those reasons?

zwaps 8y ago

While you can not buy products where no part is made in China, you very often have a choice where to allocate profits from your purchase. For example, if you buy Huawei phones, then most of the money goes to China. If you buy from a non-Chinese company, the extend is less. As to the people who just instinctively respond with whataboutism: China is a dictatorship that not only commits genocide against Muslims in Xingjiang, they are also overtly hostile to anyone, especially any country, not directly supporting their view of censorship and social control. How you personally deal with the US and US products, is your choice. In the same way. But let me say one thing: As many faults as the US has, it has nothing on China when it comes to the suppression of freedom of speech. For example, everyone and their mom makes fun of Trump, and Americans. Or Germans, or British. Or whatever. But make fun of China or the CCP in any way, and a wave of threats, both political and personal, descent upon you - up to the highest level. Ask that Swedish TV show... And you better never set foot into China after that. Anyone who has the slightest idea about Chinese face culture, and its political environment, know that the two countries are simply not comparable in that regard. And whatever wrongs the US has, it has them for completely different reasons.