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I can say this exact thing about most Azure services. Nothing really works as documented and everything is more expensive than it should be. I always feel like

I can say this exact thing about most Azure services. Nothing really works as documented and everything is more expensive than it should be. I always feel like I’m missing something.

tracker1 7y ago
I've found that the "Azure Storage" services (blob, queues, table) are pretty decent (for what they are). If you don't have huge throughput or size needs that is. Different beasts, but definitely useful imho. If I need really high load/throughput, I'd probably reach for Cassandra on DO for best bang for the buck. YMMV though, and not too big on Cassandra unless you really need it.
tgtweak 8y ago
It's hard to get behind cloud services that require you to send an email to support engineers to reboot your instance.
- rad_gruchalski 8y ago
  Wow, is that really the case? The last “cloud provider” I remember this to be the case was SoftLayer. Is Azure really that bad?
  - chrischen 8y ago
    Believe it or not Azure is the #2 cloud provider (by revenue?).
  - tgtweak 8y ago
    With AKS (at least in early days, not beta or anything mind you) the kubernetes coordinator node was managed by Microsoft, after a some arbitrary amount of days/weeks it would become unresponsive and the recommended action was to open a ticket and wait for them it restart it.
    - verst 8y ago
      Azure Kubernetes Service provides a free managed Kubernetes control plane. Certainly possibly that prior to general availability a support ticket had to be opened to restart this. The control plane's underlying VMs aren't exposed on purpose. That's similar to what other providers do with managed Kubernetes services. Hopefully the unresponsiveness issue was addressed quickly after it was reported by you.
minedwiz 8y ago
If it is documented at all. Even their .NET SDK blows
- kirillg_hn 8y ago
  Hi, I am from Cosmos DB engineering team, I'm sorry to hear you ran into issues with our .NET SDK. We're constantly updating our SDKs, and welcome feedback on GitHub, please post the issues there and we will get back to you shortly. For the current generally available .NET SDK V2, the GitHub page is at [1]. The upcoming V3 version of Cosmos DB .NET SDK is open sourced at [2], please give it a try when you have a chance / tell us what you think. [1] https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v2 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v2 [2] https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v3 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v3 Thanks for the feedback.
dman 8y ago
The perfected enterprise sales force at Microsoft. They are good, really good. Here is a fun anecdote - There was a lawsuit where it was alleged that Microsoft business practices against Novell were anticompetetive. Microsoft was forced to sell Suse Linux as part of the judgement. For the couple of quarters where this was in play, Microsoft managed to sell more Linux than Novell.
ecmascript 8y ago
Cmon this is an extremely exaggerated opinion. I have used Azure and AWS and I find Azure to be much easier and user friendly. Maybe at very large scale AWS shines through, but I would choose Azure over AWS any day.
- splinter89 8y ago
  you're literally the mythical unicorn, I don't know a single person that has appreciated using Azure. I'd personally trade my first born with no second thoughts to use AWS instead.
  - jaabe 8y ago
    I work in the European public sector, I can name you a few reasons to pick Azure over AWS. None of them are technical though, so you certainly have a point. Microsoft is just better at selling the whole package to enterprise where your primary function isn’t tech. They were first to incorporate EU legislation, and are frankly still the only of the three big cloud suppliers that can show us exactly where our data has been or passed through at any time. Their support is also excellent. We pay Microsoft a lot of money, much more than the cost of Azure because of licensing, but with it comes support. If something breaks down, I can call Seattle directly after which we will receive hourly updates by phone until the matter is resolved. With google you get to fill a form or chat with a bot. AWS is better, but again mostly to their big customers, and since we aren’t buying office 365 or licenses from them, we’re just not big enough to qualify for the support we need.
  - stillbourne 7y ago
    Surely you exaggerate. Azure is great I think AWS is garbage in comparison.
stillbourne 7y ago
Wha? I've built several (Currently about 20) enterprise application integrations across our infrastructure using Logic Apps, Function Apps, Service Bus, Cosmos etc. The cost of running these is less then our budget for office supplies. I'm literally paying pennies. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/asem3d9 https://imgur.com/a/asem3d9

I can say this exact thing about most Azure services. Nothing really works as documented and everything is more expensive than it should be. I always feel like I’m missing something.

tracker1 7y ago

I've found that the "Azure Storage" services (blob, queues, table) are pretty decent (for what they are). If you don't have huge throughput or size needs that is. Different beasts, but definitely useful imho. If I need really high load/throughput, I'd probably reach for Cassandra on DO for best bang for the buck. YMMV though, and not too big on Cassandra unless you really need it.

tgtweak 8y ago

It's hard to get behind cloud services that require you to send an email to support engineers to reboot your instance.

rad_gruchalski 8y ago
Wow, is that really the case? The last “cloud provider” I remember this to be the case was SoftLayer. Is Azure really that bad?
- chrischen 8y ago
  Believe it or not Azure is the #2 cloud provider (by revenue?).
- tgtweak 8y ago
  With AKS (at least in early days, not beta or anything mind you) the kubernetes coordinator node was managed by Microsoft, after a some arbitrary amount of days/weeks it would become unresponsive and the recommended action was to open a ticket and wait for them it restart it.
  - verst 8y ago
    Azure Kubernetes Service provides a free managed Kubernetes control plane. Certainly possibly that prior to general availability a support ticket had to be opened to restart this. The control plane's underlying VMs aren't exposed on purpose. That's similar to what other providers do with managed Kubernetes services. Hopefully the unresponsiveness issue was addressed quickly after it was reported by you.

minedwiz 8y ago

If it is documented at all. Even their .NET SDK blows

kirillg_hn 8y ago
Hi, I am from Cosmos DB engineering team, I'm sorry to hear you ran into issues with our .NET SDK. We're constantly updating our SDKs, and welcome feedback on GitHub, please post the issues there and we will get back to you shortly. For the current generally available .NET SDK V2, the GitHub page is at [1]. The upcoming V3 version of Cosmos DB .NET SDK is open sourced at [2], please give it a try when you have a chance / tell us what you think. [1] https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v2 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v2 [2] https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v3 https://github.com/Azure/azure-cosmos-dotnet-v3 Thanks for the feedback.

dman 8y ago

The perfected enterprise sales force at Microsoft. They are good, really good. Here is a fun anecdote - There was a lawsuit where it was alleged that Microsoft business practices against Novell were anticompetetive. Microsoft was forced to sell Suse Linux as part of the judgement. For the couple of quarters where this was in play, Microsoft managed to sell more Linux than Novell.

ecmascript 8y ago

Cmon this is an extremely exaggerated opinion. I have used Azure and AWS and I find Azure to be much easier and user friendly. Maybe at very large scale AWS shines through, but I would choose Azure over AWS any day.

splinter89 8y ago
you're literally the mythical unicorn, I don't know a single person that has appreciated using Azure. I'd personally trade my first born with no second thoughts to use AWS instead.
- jaabe 8y ago
  I work in the European public sector, I can name you a few reasons to pick Azure over AWS. None of them are technical though, so you certainly have a point. Microsoft is just better at selling the whole package to enterprise where your primary function isn’t tech. They were first to incorporate EU legislation, and are frankly still the only of the three big cloud suppliers that can show us exactly where our data has been or passed through at any time. Their support is also excellent. We pay Microsoft a lot of money, much more than the cost of Azure because of licensing, but with it comes support. If something breaks down, I can call Seattle directly after which we will receive hourly updates by phone until the matter is resolved. With google you get to fill a form or chat with a bot. AWS is better, but again mostly to their big customers, and since we aren’t buying office 365 or licenses from them, we’re just not big enough to qualify for the support we need.
- stillbourne 7y ago
  Surely you exaggerate. Azure is great I think AWS is garbage in comparison.

stillbourne 7y ago

Wha? I've built several (Currently about 20) enterprise application integrations across our infrastructure using Logic Apps, Function Apps, Service Bus, Cosmos etc. The cost of running these is less then our budget for office supplies. I'm literally paying pennies. Proof: https://imgur.com/a/asem3d9 https://imgur.com/a/asem3d9