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Autopilot drives far safer than I do, my mind wanders on a 1 hour commute. I know the gaps, on 101 where they just moved the lanes and used stickers for markers

Autopilot drives far safer than I do, my mind wanders on a 1 hour commute. I know the gaps, on 101 where they just moved the lanes and used stickers for markers, autopilot doesn’t handle it well. But I feel WAY safer with it on. It’s pretty amazing, and it’s light-years better than other car manufacturers’ offerings. Try the Volvo self driving and then compare, that thing tried to kill me multiple times in a single weekend drive.

rightbyte 8y ago
Volvo doesn't have self driving as a cunsumer offer. Or have I missed something?
- MarkMarine 8y ago
  You missed the Volvo S90
mannykannot 8y ago
Point taken: the safety of such systems should be compared to how people actually drive, not as if everyone was driving with all due attention. The most important concern is whether other people are safer when you are using autopilot than when you are not. Part of that calculation is how bad the accidents are when they happen. There is also the question of whether safety overall would be better with a combination of lesser technologies, such as lane departure warning and automated emergency braking, than either full autopilot or unassisted manual driving. Every manufacturer should be evaluated in the same way, and if Tesla is currently the best, then congratulations to them, but that does not mean autopilot is good enough yet, and what we need right now is more data objectively evaluated, not Musk's tendentious claims.
- MarkMarine 8y ago
  Driving with autopilot every day, I bet we are 5-10 years off the full self driving panacea that Musk is selling, but I don’t care. The car is blazing fast, safer than I am on my daily commute, and I don’t feel the pang of regret from hitting a gas pump. I don’t buy into Musk’s bluster blindly, but he does accomplish most of what he says he will... just not on the time scale he promised. Seems fine to me though, I like what he promised and honestly I don’t care if my car appreciates, the automatic braking videos sold me.
senectus1 8y ago
so here is something interesting for you. I work for a mining company that has autonomous and human driven trucks on the site (open pit mining). after running the stats on efficiencies and wear and tear on the trucks we found that: In the mornings (or start of shift) humans are far more efficient and cause less wear and tear on the trucks, towards the end of the shift the autonomous trucks are more efficient and wear the trucks out less. At the beginning of the swing ( 8 days on 6 days off ) the human driven trucks are far more efficient and cause less wear and tear. Towards the end of a swing the Autonomous trucks are more efficient and less wearing on the trucks. In wet weather humans are far more efficient and less wearing on the trucks, on hot dry days autonomous trucks are more efficient and wear less on the trucks. At the end of the day, autonomous are more consistent but humans are always better but they wear out themselves or get board or get lazy and take shortcuts when its nearing end of swing or end of shift or when the conditions are hot and dusty. I cant see why this wouldn't be replicated on open roads by every day humans and every day autonomous vehicles.

rightbyte 8y ago

Volvo doesn't have self driving as a cunsumer offer. Or have I missed something?

MarkMarine 8y ago
You missed the Volvo S90

mannykannot 8y ago

Point taken: the safety of such systems should be compared to how people actually drive, not as if everyone was driving with all due attention. The most important concern is whether other people are safer when you are using autopilot than when you are not. Part of that calculation is how bad the accidents are when they happen. There is also the question of whether safety overall would be better with a combination of lesser technologies, such as lane departure warning and automated emergency braking, than either full autopilot or unassisted manual driving. Every manufacturer should be evaluated in the same way, and if Tesla is currently the best, then congratulations to them, but that does not mean autopilot is good enough yet, and what we need right now is more data objectively evaluated, not Musk's tendentious claims.

MarkMarine 8y ago
Driving with autopilot every day, I bet we are 5-10 years off the full self driving panacea that Musk is selling, but I don’t care. The car is blazing fast, safer than I am on my daily commute, and I don’t feel the pang of regret from hitting a gas pump. I don’t buy into Musk’s bluster blindly, but he does accomplish most of what he says he will... just not on the time scale he promised. Seems fine to me though, I like what he promised and honestly I don’t care if my car appreciates, the automatic braking videos sold me.

senectus1 8y ago

so here is something interesting for you. I work for a mining company that has autonomous and human driven trucks on the site (open pit mining). after running the stats on efficiencies and wear and tear on the trucks we found that: In the mornings (or start of shift) humans are far more efficient and cause less wear and tear on the trucks, towards the end of the shift the autonomous trucks are more efficient and wear the trucks out less. At the beginning of the swing ( 8 days on 6 days off ) the human driven trucks are far more efficient and cause less wear and tear. Towards the end of a swing the Autonomous trucks are more efficient and less wearing on the trucks. In wet weather humans are far more efficient and less wearing on the trucks, on hot dry days autonomous trucks are more efficient and wear less on the trucks. At the end of the day, autonomous are more consistent but humans are always better but they wear out themselves or get board or get lazy and take shortcuts when its nearing end of swing or end of shift or when the conditions are hot and dusty. I cant see why this wouldn't be replicated on open roads by every day humans and every day autonomous vehicles.