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Merely attempting to assist the break-in is a crime. He attempted. Same metaphor applies. I try to help someone pick the lock as they try to break-in to a hous
by Aqueous 7y ago
Merely attempting to assist the break-in is a crime. He attempted.
Same metaphor applies. I try to help someone pick the lock as they try to break-in to a house. This is illegal. It's also illegal for a computer intrusion.
Julian Assange took concrete steps in furtherance of a conspiracy. Whether or not he succeeded is besides the point.
Sorry, it's the law.
- ryanlol 7y ago>Sorry, it's the law. I’d imagine this same argument sees regular use in China.
- dymk 7y agoShould attempting to break into somebody else’s property not be a crime?
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- occupodd 7y agoDo we have a Nazi mod?
- trevelyan 7y agoDid he? How do you know? As above, evidence rather than speculation please.
- Aqueous 7y agoBecause i read the indictment. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481/download https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Line 25 under "Acts in Furtherance of the Conspiracy" - by both his requesting more information about the password and his statement that he had "no luck so far" he indicated that he had been attempting to crack the password.
- trevelyan 7y agoRead it again, Aqueous. And read it literally this time. The indictment cites Assange saying, "no luck so far" after asking some questions about the stuff Manning is sending him. You want to read complicity into a vague statement made to excuse non-contribution, whereas there could have been any number of reasons Assange replied that way, such as not alienating a source, or laziness, or knowledge that actually doing anything would put him in legal jeopardy. There is no actual claim here that Assange did anything to crack the system or assisted Manning in doing so. He is not accused of delivering a password. He is not accused of downloading password cracking software. He is not accused of contacting others to ask for their assistance. He is just accused of saying, "nope, can't help". If there is evidence that Assange delivered cracked passwords to Manning, I'm sure that people will change their minds and agree with you. But that is not what the indictment claims. And the lack of anything more specific in such a high-profile case suggests there is nothing more that they have on him than an ambiguous statement of sympathy with a source.
- surrogatekey 7y agoSure, it's an indictment, not a conviction. Whatever you might think of the government's case, it's false to say that "no one has claimed" Assange assisted Manning. The government is clearly making that claim in the indictment.
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- gameswithgo 7y agowhat law clearly states that attempting this is a crime?
- whateveracct 7y agohttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1030
- pierrebai 7y agoCracking a hash is not illegal. That the hash is a password hash does not make it illegal. Using the cracked hash to access a system you have no authorization to access is illegal. Don't play the government's (and hollywood's, in case of DVD and Blueray) game. Cracking a hash is not a crime.
- SargeZT 7y agoBeing a locksmith isn't a crime, but knowingly trying to assist someone with breaking into a house that isn't their's very much is.
- belltaco 7y agoAttempting to crack a hash with the intent to access a system you have no authorization to access is illegal. The intent is proven by the chat logs.
- jamiek88 7y agoThe law doesn’t work like an RPG you can use loopholes in. Intent matters.