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1 - i agree with that sentiment 2 - your comment is exactly why. Let me explain, first you express your opinion as a matter of fact. Their opinion is nonsense

1 - i agree with that sentiment 2 - your comment is exactly why. Let me explain, first you express your opinion as a matter of fact. Their opinion is nonsense? Why not pose a question as to why one may think that? Consider the culture of 4chans various boards and some of the herd mentality you see on hn. I can tangibly see on a daily basis trite comments which add nothing of value be upvoted because it expresses commonly held approved opinions (ie. Anti amazon comments or issues with nimbys in sf) However someone echo a concern about the importance of us military intelligence infrastructure by virtue of supporting msft contracts with the us military, someone is downvoted as a warmonger with little discussion. The shitposts are real randy

ChrisGranger 8y ago
To claim that Hacker News "is no different than 4chan", a site where one can routinely find the most vile posts of racism, violence, child pornography and so on is utter nonsense, and that is a fact, not merely my opinion.
- zigzaggy 8y ago
  Agree, this place isn’t remotely like 4chan in any way.
- krapp 8y ago
  I've seen people support racism, violence and child pornography on this site. More than once. Perhaps the difference is that, unlike 4chan, such things aren't routine, but I've found that Hacker News tends to segregate itself by subject rather than boards, so the toxic contingent shows up more often in certain threads than others. Hacker News' version of /pol/ would be most threads touching on the sort of subjects that /pol/ is particularly toxic over - race, gender and feminism, nationalism, etc. But yes, in some ways Hacker News is like 4chan, except when people here argue that Jews should be sent to the ghettos or the gas chambers, they do so politely. Most of the time.
  - rland 8y ago
    I really do disagree with this comment. I don't normally voice disagreements out loud, but to my eye this comment is utterly incorrect, even for "culture war" type threads.
  - dang 8y ago
    This is the second time recently you've smeared the HN community and, by implication, us moderators like this. It isn't true, and I need to ask you to stop. I'm sure you didn't intend it that way, but if you stop for a minute and think of how utterly shocking and disgusting what you're imputing to us is, it won't be hard to see why we deeply don't appreciate it. People accuse us of all kinds of shit we don't do, but I would have expected something better from you than that last statement. A lot better.
    - krapp 8y ago
      I apologize for the offense, I know you care about this community, as I do, but it's not beyond criticism. I don't believe I've smeared it so much as described a part of it with more honesty than is civil, possibly some hyperbole, but not deceit. I've seen everything I mentioned in my comment, and noticed that such views seem to be gaining in prominence here, they just mask themselves behind politeness. But I will stop, since I don't want to be banned, and if you can't see the rot as well then I suppose mentioning it is pointless and counterproductive.
      - lightedman 7y ago
        You can ignore dang, he's not going to be part of this community for much longer, and I'm working to ensure that. Turns out he's got a very very NASTY history and I'm having a lot of fun digging it up.
        krapp 7y ago
        You're a perfect example of what is going wrong with this community. Maybe I am too, to an extent, but definitely you, and whoever vouched for your comments.
- drharby 7y ago
  Ok - aside from lets agree to disagree, im not equating the content are the same. I am equating the manner pf discourse and conversation flow. Its rather disingenuous of you to think people are claiming racism violence and child pornography here. Besides, 4channel is now heavily modded to be sfw since it has been acquired from moot and the owner is trying to drive ad revenue. It isnt 2008 - and please again, stop passing opinion as fact chris granger. I expect greater from hn posters. I get some solid content here, but to downvote on disagreement and then ignote2a genuine attempt to exchange ideas is discomforting to see. I dont anticipate you to understand and i thoroughly expect this to simply be downvoted.
  - ChrisGranger 7y ago
    If 4chan is heavily moderated and work-safe now, then I stand corrected in that regard. It's been a long time since I've been there. My reference to racism, violence and child pornography was to indicate the vast difference between the two sites' moderation and the sorts of 'toxic' things that were deemed acceptable at 4chan and unacceptable here. Although as you say, things must have improved greatly since I was last there. Any downvotes you've received were not from me.
  - collapse 7y ago
    >Its rather disingenuous of you to think people are claiming racism violence and child pornography here krapp did that in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19655230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19655230. You might need to turn showdead on in your profile to see it.
    - drharby 7y ago
      Ah - yea that's just plain silly right there. And frustrating bc it throws the meta discussion out the window

ChrisGranger 8y ago

To claim that Hacker News "is no different than 4chan", a site where one can routinely find the most vile posts of racism, violence, child pornography and so on is utter nonsense, and that is a fact, not merely my opinion.

zigzaggy 8y ago
Agree, this place isn’t remotely like 4chan in any way.
krapp 8y ago
I've seen people support racism, violence and child pornography on this site. More than once. Perhaps the difference is that, unlike 4chan, such things aren't routine, but I've found that Hacker News tends to segregate itself by subject rather than boards, so the toxic contingent shows up more often in certain threads than others. Hacker News' version of /pol/ would be most threads touching on the sort of subjects that /pol/ is particularly toxic over - race, gender and feminism, nationalism, etc. But yes, in some ways Hacker News is like 4chan, except when people here argue that Jews should be sent to the ghettos or the gas chambers, they do so politely. Most of the time.
- rland 8y ago
  I really do disagree with this comment. I don't normally voice disagreements out loud, but to my eye this comment is utterly incorrect, even for "culture war" type threads.
- dang 8y ago
  This is the second time recently you've smeared the HN community and, by implication, us moderators like this. It isn't true, and I need to ask you to stop. I'm sure you didn't intend it that way, but if you stop for a minute and think of how utterly shocking and disgusting what you're imputing to us is, it won't be hard to see why we deeply don't appreciate it. People accuse us of all kinds of shit we don't do, but I would have expected something better from you than that last statement. A lot better.
  - krapp 8y ago
    I apologize for the offense, I know you care about this community, as I do, but it's not beyond criticism. I don't believe I've smeared it so much as described a part of it with more honesty than is civil, possibly some hyperbole, but not deceit. I've seen everything I mentioned in my comment, and noticed that such views seem to be gaining in prominence here, they just mask themselves behind politeness. But I will stop, since I don't want to be banned, and if you can't see the rot as well then I suppose mentioning it is pointless and counterproductive.
    - lightedman 7y ago
      You can ignore dang, he's not going to be part of this community for much longer, and I'm working to ensure that. Turns out he's got a very very NASTY history and I'm having a lot of fun digging it up.
      - krapp 7y ago
        You're a perfect example of what is going wrong with this community. Maybe I am too, to an extent, but definitely you, and whoever vouched for your comments.
drharby 7y ago
Ok - aside from lets agree to disagree, im not equating the content are the same. I am equating the manner pf discourse and conversation flow. Its rather disingenuous of you to think people are claiming racism violence and child pornography here. Besides, 4channel is now heavily modded to be sfw since it has been acquired from moot and the owner is trying to drive ad revenue. It isnt 2008 - and please again, stop passing opinion as fact chris granger. I expect greater from hn posters. I get some solid content here, but to downvote on disagreement and then ignote2a genuine attempt to exchange ideas is discomforting to see. I dont anticipate you to understand and i thoroughly expect this to simply be downvoted.
- ChrisGranger 7y ago
  If 4chan is heavily moderated and work-safe now, then I stand corrected in that regard. It's been a long time since I've been there. My reference to racism, violence and child pornography was to indicate the vast difference between the two sites' moderation and the sorts of 'toxic' things that were deemed acceptable at 4chan and unacceptable here. Although as you say, things must have improved greatly since I was last there. Any downvotes you've received were not from me.
- collapse 7y ago
  >Its rather disingenuous of you to think people are claiming racism violence and child pornography here krapp did that in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19655230 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19655230. You might need to turn showdead on in your profile to see it.
  - drharby 7y ago
    Ah - yea that's just plain silly right there. And frustrating bc it throws the meta discussion out the window