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Can this not be viewed as a call for the media to more accurately report stories? I think people are just tired of massive media outlets manufacturing the news

Can this not be viewed as a call for the media to more accurately report stories? I think people are just tired of massive media outlets manufacturing the news instead of reporting it. This was obviously a team effort but a single individual got put on a pedestal because it fit with a larger narrative. People are mad and tired of it. Why don't we step back and look at the bigger picture and listen to what people are complaining about instead of just admonishing them.

tom_ 8y ago
Riiight, so it is about ethics in journalism.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Yes? What else would it be when people are tired of the media acting unethically?
matt4077 8y ago
Ah, yes, „ethics-in-astronomy-journalism“...
fzeroracer 8y ago
So you're saying the reason why people are making fake profiles, spreading fake rumors etc is because of the media narrative? Why don't you say what you really mean by 'calling for the media to more accurately report stories'?
- malvosenior 8y ago
  I'm saying that the media caused all of that through yellow journalism and the pushing of political agendas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Over the past decade they've been in a race to the bottom of what historically would have been thought of as journalistic ethics. People aren't stupid and can see this. Some people are reasonable and have well thought out rebuttals, some are unreasonable and troll to vent their frustration. Either way, it was the media that created the entire situation we find ourselves in.
Nasrudith 8y ago
No because their concerns are transparent misogyny - if they wanted actual coverage they would shame them with a complete list of contributors and snark that "an additional kilobyte or printed page isn't that expensive!". Sadly so many choose to be outraged over irrelevant bullshit instead of something which remotely matters.
- malvosenior 8y ago
  Why are the concerns transparent misogyny? Are people not allowed to voice concern as soon as the subject matter involves a woman? You can't just label all of the objections as misogyny and sweep them under the rug. I guess you can, but that's very much the mentality that's causing the toxic environment we find ourselves in.
- throwawaysea 8y ago
  Fact-finding is not misogyny. And the facts in this case are that Bouman's algorithm was not used in the black hole image that is being hailed as a scientific milestone. She had other contributions here (see https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518547327475712 https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/111651854732747571... which credits her with writing the testing framework), but what was pitched in news headlines about her role/contributions was explicitly false. Pointing out the truth is not misogyny.
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    People pointing out that Andrew Chael was far more important because he had '850k lines of code written' making her contributions worthless was not pointing out the truth. It was explicitly about tearing down her contributions.
    - throwawaysea 8y ago
      I agree, that particular argument was meaningless (since lines of code is not everything) and wrong (since a lot of those 850K lines were data). I agree some people behind that line of argument might have been looking to tear her down, and that the impulse to do so may have been rooted in misogyny. That said, I also think it's not everyone, and that some who were examining the code base were just on a fact-finding mission given that this story was seemingly everywhere online and something felt off.

tom_ 8y ago

Riiight, so it is about ethics in journalism.

malvosenior 8y ago
Yes? What else would it be when people are tired of the media acting unethically?

matt4077 8y ago

Ah, yes, „ethics-in-astronomy-journalism“...

fzeroracer 8y ago

So you're saying the reason why people are making fake profiles, spreading fake rumors etc is because of the media narrative? Why don't you say what you really mean by 'calling for the media to more accurately report stories'?

malvosenior 8y ago
I'm saying that the media caused all of that through yellow journalism and the pushing of political agendas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism Over the past decade they've been in a race to the bottom of what historically would have been thought of as journalistic ethics. People aren't stupid and can see this. Some people are reasonable and have well thought out rebuttals, some are unreasonable and troll to vent their frustration. Either way, it was the media that created the entire situation we find ourselves in.

Nasrudith 8y ago

No because their concerns are transparent misogyny - if they wanted actual coverage they would shame them with a complete list of contributors and snark that "an additional kilobyte or printed page isn't that expensive!". Sadly so many choose to be outraged over irrelevant bullshit instead of something which remotely matters.

malvosenior 8y ago
Why are the concerns transparent misogyny? Are people not allowed to voice concern as soon as the subject matter involves a woman? You can't just label all of the objections as misogyny and sweep them under the rug. I guess you can, but that's very much the mentality that's causing the toxic environment we find ourselves in.
throwawaysea 8y ago
Fact-finding is not misogyny. And the facts in this case are that Bouman's algorithm was not used in the black hole image that is being hailed as a scientific milestone. She had other contributions here (see https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/1116518547327475712 https://twitter.com/thisgreyspirit/status/111651854732747571... which credits her with writing the testing framework), but what was pitched in news headlines about her role/contributions was explicitly false. Pointing out the truth is not misogyny.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  People pointing out that Andrew Chael was far more important because he had '850k lines of code written' making her contributions worthless was not pointing out the truth. It was explicitly about tearing down her contributions.
  - throwawaysea 8y ago
    I agree, that particular argument was meaningless (since lines of code is not everything) and wrong (since a lot of those 850K lines were data). I agree some people behind that line of argument might have been looking to tear her down, and that the impulse to do so may have been rooted in misogyny. That said, I also think it's not everyone, and that some who were examining the code base were just on a fact-finding mission given that this story was seemingly everywhere online and something felt off.