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Is the association of agents quoted in the article a union for agents? I haven't heard of any union vs union fights happening before, so this could be interesti

Is the association of agents quoted in the article a union for agents? I haven't heard of any union vs union fights happening before, so this could be interesting.

OldFatCactus 8y ago
Union vs union happens all the time on the worksite. Try changing lightbulbs at a factory without being part of the electricians union
- whenchamenia 8y ago
  This happens all the time when doing onsite tech. Everythig stops while the union authorized guy does the simple thing before anyone can continue their non-union contract work. I had to start baking the cost into the price after the first few times eating it. While I see the need for unions, and cannot suggest a superior implementation, the current incarnation seems to hurt as much as it helps in most cases.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  Try setting up an LDAP group without being part of the LDAP team. Try ordering a replacement drive for your laptop without being part of the procurement team. Try opening holes in the firewall without being part of the network security team. Unions really don't have much to do with this problem. It's merely an aspect of the division of labor. It's also probably a net-negative for the factor to have production stop so a worker can replace a bulb (assuming the production isn't stopped because of the bulb).
  - OldFatCactus 8y ago
    Does the LDAP group submit a Grievance to your org? Do they demand to be paid wages lost from your usurpation of their role? Apples to Oranges. Ftr I am pro-union but this is a uniquely union problem
    - linuxftw 8y ago
      > Does the LDAP group submit a Grievance to your org? If you went in and made unauthorized changes, for sure. > Do they demand to be paid wages lost from your usurpation of their role? That depends. If we're talking about, say, government contracting, and the LDAP team is paid on a per-request basis, and you circumvent this, yes, they would rightfully demand to be paid what they're entitled to in the contract. Of course, in this case, it's probably two separate employers in one larger organization, but it does happen. In the case of unions, the union has a contract to do certain things in return for certain compensation. A condition for doing it at a certain price might be that the contract is exclusive. Plenty of examples of this type of pricing in the business world. So, not really a unique union problem.
      - dub 8y ago
        There's no LDAP Group Membership Reviewer Union. Management could declare "LDAP group membership requests are now self-service" at any time, if someone presents them with a compelling case that it's better for the company. At public companies in the US, people get paid to review your LDAP group membership requests for a simple reason: CEOs and CFOs don't want to go to jail for failing to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley. If you're at a private company, though, and you think the change controls at your company are a net loss in value, that seems like something to discuss with your CTO.
learc83 8y ago
It's a trade association. It represents talent agencies. More specifically it represents the interests of the management of talent agencies. It's basically the opposite of a union.
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chrisseaton 8y ago
> I haven't heard of any union vs union fights happening before Are you being sarcastic? Unions fight with each other all the time like any other group with their own interests. Unions will try to get the best deal for their own people which of course inevitably means someone else getting less. Sometimes it's literally a physical fight. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/16labor.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/16labor.html

Is the association of agents quoted in the article a union for agents? I haven't heard of any union vs union fights happening before, so this could be interesting.

OldFatCactus 8y ago

Union vs union happens all the time on the worksite. Try changing lightbulbs at a factory without being part of the electricians union

whenchamenia 8y ago
This happens all the time when doing onsite tech. Everythig stops while the union authorized guy does the simple thing before anyone can continue their non-union contract work. I had to start baking the cost into the price after the first few times eating it. While I see the need for unions, and cannot suggest a superior implementation, the current incarnation seems to hurt as much as it helps in most cases.
linuxftw 8y ago
Try setting up an LDAP group without being part of the LDAP team. Try ordering a replacement drive for your laptop without being part of the procurement team. Try opening holes in the firewall without being part of the network security team. Unions really don't have much to do with this problem. It's merely an aspect of the division of labor. It's also probably a net-negative for the factor to have production stop so a worker can replace a bulb (assuming the production isn't stopped because of the bulb).
- OldFatCactus 8y ago
  Does the LDAP group submit a Grievance to your org? Do they demand to be paid wages lost from your usurpation of their role? Apples to Oranges. Ftr I am pro-union but this is a uniquely union problem
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    > Does the LDAP group submit a Grievance to your org? If you went in and made unauthorized changes, for sure. > Do they demand to be paid wages lost from your usurpation of their role? That depends. If we're talking about, say, government contracting, and the LDAP team is paid on a per-request basis, and you circumvent this, yes, they would rightfully demand to be paid what they're entitled to in the contract. Of course, in this case, it's probably two separate employers in one larger organization, but it does happen. In the case of unions, the union has a contract to do certain things in return for certain compensation. A condition for doing it at a certain price might be that the contract is exclusive. Plenty of examples of this type of pricing in the business world. So, not really a unique union problem.
    - dub 8y ago
      There's no LDAP Group Membership Reviewer Union. Management could declare "LDAP group membership requests are now self-service" at any time, if someone presents them with a compelling case that it's better for the company. At public companies in the US, people get paid to review your LDAP group membership requests for a simple reason: CEOs and CFOs don't want to go to jail for failing to comply with Sarbanes-Oxley. If you're at a private company, though, and you think the change controls at your company are a net loss in value, that seems like something to discuss with your CTO.

learc83 8y ago

It's a trade association. It represents talent agencies. More specifically it represents the interests of the management of talent agencies. It's basically the opposite of a union.

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chrisseaton 8y ago

> I haven't heard of any union vs union fights happening before Are you being sarcastic? Unions fight with each other all the time like any other group with their own interests. Unions will try to get the best deal for their own people which of course inevitably means someone else getting less. Sometimes it's literally a physical fight. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/16labor.html https://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/16labor.html