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The same way any state-sponsored industrial espionage is being justified, even among supposed "friends" [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples

The same way any state-sponsored industrial espionage is being justified, even among supposed "friends" [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial...

NicoJuicy 8y ago
Almost all of the world is protected by copyright. You mention 1 example where copyright failed ( 20 years ago...). Nothing is perfect also and it doesn't mean it's wrong to protect innovative companies. But you lack the fundamental understanding that nothing in China has this protection. While our allies do. Ps. Except if you count the clothes of Ivanka Trump of course, that won copyright infringement case in China.... Which was no way a political intervention to appeal to someone with the trade war happening ;) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-chi... Good rules are better than ego-interventions for the 1% every day of the year.
- ionised 8y ago
  > But you lack the fundamental understanding that nothing in China has this protection. While our allies do. You asked for a justification and you've answered your own question. It happens because there are no protections for these thins in China. It is not in their culture to assign intellectual property protections in the way US culture does. There's your justification. Their culture is different and they see yours as ridiculous and unenforceable.
  - NicoJuicy 8y ago
    China has no IP-protection because they copy and go. As soon as they would be innovators, they would adopt it. Right now, they have a lot of luck that they are> 1 billion people and stealing everything they can without punishment. IP-protection would happen for Chinese firms, just not outsiders. Don't change my words. "This" protection = global protection. China just has "Chinese" protection. It's not in laid out in rules with them, but it means in 99% of the cases that they are an advantage for Chinese firms. Ps. Blocking the market is an extreme form of IP-protection, it's even just stealing and adjusting the rules ( required Chinese partnerships). They adapted in a very bad way, they also get previous generation tech because firms don't trust it

NicoJuicy 8y ago

Almost all of the world is protected by copyright. You mention 1 example where copyright failed ( 20 years ago...). Nothing is perfect also and it doesn't mean it's wrong to protect innovative companies. But you lack the fundamental understanding that nothing in China has this protection. While our allies do. Ps. Except if you count the clothes of Ivanka Trump of course, that won copyright infringement case in China.... Which was no way a political intervention to appeal to someone with the trade war happening ;) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/28/business/ivanka-trump-chi... Good rules are better than ego-interventions for the 1% every day of the year.

ionised 8y ago
> But you lack the fundamental understanding that nothing in China has this protection. While our allies do. You asked for a justification and you've answered your own question. It happens because there are no protections for these thins in China. It is not in their culture to assign intellectual property protections in the way US culture does. There's your justification. Their culture is different and they see yours as ridiculous and unenforceable.
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  China has no IP-protection because they copy and go. As soon as they would be innovators, they would adopt it. Right now, they have a lot of luck that they are> 1 billion people and stealing everything they can without punishment. IP-protection would happen for Chinese firms, just not outsiders. Don't change my words. "This" protection = global protection. China just has "Chinese" protection. It's not in laid out in rules with them, but it means in 99% of the cases that they are an advantage for Chinese firms. Ps. Blocking the market is an extreme form of IP-protection, it's even just stealing and adjusting the rules ( required Chinese partnerships). They adapted in a very bad way, they also get previous generation tech because firms don't trust it