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So they publish it in darknet / some private communities? If they published it, it should be public. Where'are the links to the data?

by tandav 8y ago

DennisP 8y ago
> The hackers then put the data up for download on their own website, which we’re also not naming nor linking to given the sensitivity of the data.
elorant 8y ago
We don't need the data. Why on Earth would I want personal information of law enforcement agents? I don't need to contact them in any capacity and I'm pretty sure that if the data became publicly available a lot of idiots would have funny ideas like pranking them and whatnot.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  It doesn't matter if you need to contact them. They're domestic public servants, not clandestine agents operating overseas. Why shouldn't their position in the government and means of email/phone/postal contact be part of the public record? Pranks will be appropriately addressed, by the very same public servants you're okay with being nameless and faceless.
  - bpicolo 8y ago
    I would never expect public servant's private phone numbers / private mailing addresses to be publicized. The only usage of that would be harassment. Work mail / phone? Sure.
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      Of course not private. But isn't it fair to say that the only reason this hack and leak is happening is because the work contact information isn't available?
      - JohnStrangeII 8y ago
        That seems unlikely. The hackers say that they have much more data of this kind and plan to sell it to the highest bidder. These are not government transparency activists.
        huffmsa 8y ago
        But they predominantly have data that should be public. With some home email and postal addresses mixed in. The value of the data they're looking to leverage is that this information or even a close approximation of it simply isn't available. They're going from 0 to 2. If public contact information was available, it'd be more of a 1 to 1.5-2 value.
    - itronitron 8y ago
      In at least one conservative US state they have passed laws that require the publication online of public servant's salaries as well as their property addresses (i.e. primary residence). Not sure what the logic is there, if any.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Unaccountable bureaucrats are without fail one of the lynchpins to the corruption and ultimate collapse of governments throughout history.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    All these bootlickers exercising their down votes without bothering to leave a comment and a putting their internet name and reputation on the line. Public servants should be respected, but they also need to be visible and accountable. Anonymity precludes that. I don't think that's an irrational position to hold.
    - codycraven 8y ago
      With this viewpoint one must also be ready to accept the consequences. For a person to become a police officer they will take on much more risk to their families and property. I'd imagine the personality type that doesn't fear this risk is the exact type of officer one wouldn't want on the street. Recruiting officers will also be more difficult which means pay/benefits must be increased (which cities often don't have) or quality of candidate accepted must decrease (putting inferior/riskier cops on the street in a position of power).
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        > For a person to become a police officer they will take on much more risk to their families and property. And why is that? Why are LEO disliked or having to live in fear? Shouldn't a society support the members of itself who willingly take on a role to protect said society? Perhaps it's that the populous is increasingly seeing the police apparatus as the enforcement arm of a shadowy, unaccountable bureaucracy in bed with corporations and the elite, and not a force for the protection of the public. So again, who's who and what they do in the government should be publicly accessible.
        CompanionCuuube 8y ago
        > And why is that? Because by definition, their job puts them in close adversarial contact with people inclined to breaking the law and violence.
- AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
  There are many people who consider working for the law enforcement of the USA is an inherently evil practice, and the subset of them that consider themselves as revolutionaries might want said data as to enact punishment - similar to what the police does to the people who they consider as criminals.
  - RickJWagner 8y ago
    Anyone who considers working for the law enforcement agencies to be 'inherently evil' should ride along with them for a day or two. I expect their definition of 'evil' will quickly change.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
    - sixothree 8y ago
      I would be surprised if that level of transparency exists.
      - CompanionCuuube 8y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride-along https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride-along
AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
Not going to post the link in fear of being banned, but its sha256 hash is 178615046e433921a4e2d71522c0d93e90a5348a33de33ab1762811855c2e0eb - just in case the one that you happen to find afterwards has been modified. I hope that just linking the hash is fine, especially considering that using the hashes of files to block illegal content is common practice.
- teddyh 8y ago
  https://twitter.com/PokemonGoICU/status/1116456539106234369 https://twitter.com/PokemonGoICU/status/1116456539106234369

So they publish it in darknet / some private communities? If they published it, it should be public. Where'are the links to the data?

by tandav 8y ago

So they publish it in darknet / some private communities? If they published it, it should be public. Where'are the links to the data?

DennisP 8y ago

> The hackers then put the data up for download on their own website, which we’re also not naming nor linking to given the sensitivity of the data.

elorant 8y ago

We don't need the data. Why on Earth would I want personal information of law enforcement agents? I don't need to contact them in any capacity and I'm pretty sure that if the data became publicly available a lot of idiots would have funny ideas like pranking them and whatnot.

huffmsa 8y ago
It doesn't matter if you need to contact them. They're domestic public servants, not clandestine agents operating overseas. Why shouldn't their position in the government and means of email/phone/postal contact be part of the public record? Pranks will be appropriately addressed, by the very same public servants you're okay with being nameless and faceless.
- bpicolo 8y ago
  I would never expect public servant's private phone numbers / private mailing addresses to be publicized. The only usage of that would be harassment. Work mail / phone? Sure.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Of course not private. But isn't it fair to say that the only reason this hack and leak is happening is because the work contact information isn't available?
    - JohnStrangeII 8y ago
      That seems unlikely. The hackers say that they have much more data of this kind and plan to sell it to the highest bidder. These are not government transparency activists.
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        But they predominantly have data that should be public. With some home email and postal addresses mixed in. The value of the data they're looking to leverage is that this information or even a close approximation of it simply isn't available. They're going from 0 to 2. If public contact information was available, it'd be more of a 1 to 1.5-2 value.
  - itronitron 8y ago
    In at least one conservative US state they have passed laws that require the publication online of public servant's salaries as well as their property addresses (i.e. primary residence). Not sure what the logic is there, if any.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Unaccountable bureaucrats are without fail one of the lynchpins to the corruption and ultimate collapse of governments throughout history.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  All these bootlickers exercising their down votes without bothering to leave a comment and a putting their internet name and reputation on the line. Public servants should be respected, but they also need to be visible and accountable. Anonymity precludes that. I don't think that's an irrational position to hold.
  - codycraven 8y ago
    With this viewpoint one must also be ready to accept the consequences. For a person to become a police officer they will take on much more risk to their families and property. I'd imagine the personality type that doesn't fear this risk is the exact type of officer one wouldn't want on the street. Recruiting officers will also be more difficult which means pay/benefits must be increased (which cities often don't have) or quality of candidate accepted must decrease (putting inferior/riskier cops on the street in a position of power).
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      > For a person to become a police officer they will take on much more risk to their families and property. And why is that? Why are LEO disliked or having to live in fear? Shouldn't a society support the members of itself who willingly take on a role to protect said society? Perhaps it's that the populous is increasingly seeing the police apparatus as the enforcement arm of a shadowy, unaccountable bureaucracy in bed with corporations and the elite, and not a force for the protection of the public. So again, who's who and what they do in the government should be publicly accessible.
      - CompanionCuuube 8y ago
        > And why is that? Because by definition, their job puts them in close adversarial contact with people inclined to breaking the law and violence.
AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
There are many people who consider working for the law enforcement of the USA is an inherently evil practice, and the subset of them that consider themselves as revolutionaries might want said data as to enact punishment - similar to what the police does to the people who they consider as criminals.
- RickJWagner 8y ago
  Anyone who considers working for the law enforcement agencies to be 'inherently evil' should ride along with them for a day or two. I expect their definition of 'evil' will quickly change.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
  - sixothree 8y ago
    I would be surprised if that level of transparency exists.
    - CompanionCuuube 8y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride-along https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride-along

AnaniasAnanas 8y ago

Not going to post the link in fear of being banned, but its sha256 hash is 178615046e433921a4e2d71522c0d93e90a5348a33de33ab1762811855c2e0eb - just in case the one that you happen to find afterwards has been modified. I hope that just linking the hash is fine, especially considering that using the hashes of files to block illegal content is common practice.

teddyh 8y ago
https://twitter.com/PokemonGoICU/status/1116456539106234369 https://twitter.com/PokemonGoICU/status/1116456539106234369