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I think your last point needs more investigation and I don’t think the EU really wants to examine it in detail. Freedom of movement means that really productive

I think your last point needs more investigation and I don’t think the EU really wants to examine it in detail. Freedom of movement means that really productive and educated people can go wherever they want. I encounter groups of Italian and Spanish students everyday here in Germany. I’ve met a really bright Greek politics and law student that has now a job here. At one conference an Italian guy working in Switzerland told me at the company in England he was before the office was dominated by Greek and Italian developers. All of these anecdotes point to the same thing young successful people from these countries try to start a life elsewhere in the EU. It’s obvious that this is a huge benefit to Germany and the UK (which the Brexit supporters failed to recognize)

heavenlyblue 8y ago
>> At one conference an Italian guy working in Switzerland told me at the company in England he was before the office was dominated by Greek and Italian developers. Yeah, but it doesn't mean they are brighter than British ones. It just means it's cheaper to hire a Greek or Italian developer (that and culture differences that British people would also need to deal with). Saying this as a developer from Lithuania working in the UK.
- behindmyscreen 8y ago
  Which is crazy.... in the US, a developer from Nebraska is just as expensive as one from California for any given company. The location of the company dictates the wages ( costs of living), not the source of the developer.... (unless we’re talking an H1B visa sham hire which isn’t the same as your situation)
  - taysic 8y ago
    If the developer from Nebraska plans to go back home after a period of time working in CA, they may be more likely to be content with lower salaries though. I wonder where these talented people in the EU plan to raise their kids/ retire.

heavenlyblue 8y ago

>> At one conference an Italian guy working in Switzerland told me at the company in England he was before the office was dominated by Greek and Italian developers. Yeah, but it doesn't mean they are brighter than British ones. It just means it's cheaper to hire a Greek or Italian developer (that and culture differences that British people would also need to deal with). Saying this as a developer from Lithuania working in the UK.

behindmyscreen 8y ago
Which is crazy.... in the US, a developer from Nebraska is just as expensive as one from California for any given company. The location of the company dictates the wages ( costs of living), not the source of the developer.... (unless we’re talking an H1B visa sham hire which isn’t the same as your situation)
- taysic 8y ago
  If the developer from Nebraska plans to go back home after a period of time working in CA, they may be more likely to be content with lower salaries though. I wonder where these talented people in the EU plan to raise their kids/ retire.