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I keep seeing this emphasis on "unsuccessful" and while I understand why that should lead to less severe _potential_ sentence, I fail to understand why it shoul

I keep seeing this emphasis on "unsuccessful" and while I understand why that should lead to less severe _potential_ sentence, I fail to understand why it should be important to establish if it was a crime. Same goes for motive.

boomboomsubban 8y ago
There was no emphasis intended, it was an attempt to protect the source and should not be considered a crime.
- kmlx 8y ago
  so in order to protect his source he did something illegal?
  - boomboomsubban 8y ago
    Things that aren't crimes are legal.
    - kmlx 8y ago
      isn't it a crime to try to force entry into a .gov network?
      - boomboomsubban 8y ago
        The charge against him does not mention anything about trying to force entry into a network.
        kmlx 8y ago
        thank you. i stand corrected. charged with conspiracy to gain access to a gov computer. "In Washington, the U.S. Justice Department said Assange was charged with conspiring with former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to gain access to a government computer as part of a 2010 leak by WikiLeaks"
        boomboomsubban 8y ago
        Charged with conspiracy to gain access to a computer Manning already had access to in a hope to protect Manning from being caught. Expected behavior for a journalist, and a dangerous thing to consider a crime.
        kmlx 8y ago
        > Charged with conspiracy to gain access to a computer Manning already had access to in a hope to protect Manning from being caught He did something illegal in order to hide the illegal activities of his accomplice. > Expected behavior for a journalist He's FSB property. Not a journalist.
        boomboomsubban 8y ago
        >He did something illegal in order to hide the illegal activities of his accomplice. Something the previous DoJ refused to charge him on as they said it would obviously violate the freedom of the press. As it is not a crime, it is routine behavior among journalists. Publishing the leaks Manning provided makes him a journalist, your conspiracy theory about his loyalty doesn't change that. If there were any proof of your statement, don't you think that would be something he was charged with?
scotty79 8y ago
If you buy someone hamburger so that he dies by choking on it. And he will not. You won't be charged with attempted murder. The success itself matters a bit. What matters more is actual probability of success.

boomboomsubban 8y ago

There was no emphasis intended, it was an attempt to protect the source and should not be considered a crime.

kmlx 8y ago
so in order to protect his source he did something illegal?
- boomboomsubban 8y ago
  Things that aren't crimes are legal.
  - kmlx 8y ago
    isn't it a crime to try to force entry into a .gov network?
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      The charge against him does not mention anything about trying to force entry into a network.
      - kmlx 8y ago
        thank you. i stand corrected. charged with conspiracy to gain access to a gov computer. "In Washington, the U.S. Justice Department said Assange was charged with conspiring with former Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning to gain access to a government computer as part of a 2010 leak by WikiLeaks"
        boomboomsubban 8y ago
        Charged with conspiracy to gain access to a computer Manning already had access to in a hope to protect Manning from being caught. Expected behavior for a journalist, and a dangerous thing to consider a crime.
        kmlx 8y ago
        > Charged with conspiracy to gain access to a computer Manning already had access to in a hope to protect Manning from being caught He did something illegal in order to hide the illegal activities of his accomplice. > Expected behavior for a journalist He's FSB property. Not a journalist.
        boomboomsubban 8y ago
        >He did something illegal in order to hide the illegal activities of his accomplice. Something the previous DoJ refused to charge him on as they said it would obviously violate the freedom of the press. As it is not a crime, it is routine behavior among journalists. Publishing the leaks Manning provided makes him a journalist, your conspiracy theory about his loyalty doesn't change that. If there were any proof of your statement, don't you think that would be something he was charged with?

scotty79 8y ago

If you buy someone hamburger so that he dies by choking on it. And he will not. You won't be charged with attempted murder. The success itself matters a bit. What matters more is actual probability of success.