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Legal pot is not going good anywhere around the world except very few places like Colorado. This is because politicians insist on not paying attention to scient

Legal pot is not going good anywhere around the world except very few places like Colorado. This is because politicians insist on not paying attention to scientific studies and keep doing irrational things. Look at Massachusetts, one of the first states to legalize cannabis, still handful of legal shops, only 1 in Boston area. What changed is now a few mega corps (US) or the government (Canada) are your drug dealers, instead of sketchy randos. It's impossible to find a thriving free cannabis market. This is absolutely ridiculous. >70% of Americans support legalization and multiple states voted for legalization but it's still impossible to thrive as a mom&pop cannabis shop. When alcohol and coffee are so normalized that people can consume these drugs even in workplaces, it's simply ridiculous how we treat weed, quite possibly a safer drug. I'm not even talking about illegal states, because that's an entirely different story. But what's going on in legal states like MA et al is bizarre.

v_lisivka 8y ago
This shit is known for thousands years. We have enough experience with it to judge.
andai 8y ago
Long time coffee and cannabis user here, I'm curious in what ways you'd say cannabis is safer than coffee?
- quickthrower2 8y ago
  Well, if you spill hot coffee on you it can hurt a bit.
  - andai 8y ago
    I once put a lit joint in my pocket for safekeeping, and burned a hole in my wallet.
- gnulinux 8y ago
  They're both very safe but we have a lot evidence suggesting THC and CBD have tons of medical benefits. I'm not aware of any medical benefits of caffeine. I do know that some NSAIDs include caffeine to combat fatigue, but that's about it. Also have you ever got addicted to caffeine? It's a bitch to stop drinking, you get headaches like someone's hammering your skull. While it's possible to get physically addicted to THC, it's much harder than getting addicted to caffeine. One should also mention that weed is by no means 100% safe. I myself was once hospitalized due to a panic attack caused by too much weed. But compared to other "normal" drugs like nicotine, alcohol, caffeine etc weed is among safest.
DKnoll 8y ago
>or the government (Canada) are your drug dealer The Canadian federal government does not sell cannabis. Some of the provincial governments do but not all. Many (I love that word) provinces, including Ontario, allow the private sector to sell cannabis with the correct license. >When alcohol and coffee are so normalized that people can consume these drugs even in workplaces, it's simply ridiculous how we treat weed, quite possibly a safer drug There are very few workplaces in Canada where drinking on the job would be accepted. Between cannabis and alcohol, cannabis is probably more acceptable. Caffeine definitely causes a lesser level of impairment than either cannabis or alcohol and is not really comparable. A workplace doesn't really care about the level of medical harms caused by a drug, just the level of impairment, which is why 'nobody' (disclaimer: I'm sure a statistically insignificant number of people do) gets fired for taking a smoke break (off company time of course). Keep in mind that cannabis is technically illegal across the US, the US federal government just chooses not to enforce the law in renegade states for the most part. The Canadian and American situations are not comparable.
- dugditches 8y ago
  Maybe Nicotine rather than Alcohol would have been better for his point. But I'd still trust Joe to drive the forklift after a cup of coffee and cigarette than a drink and a doob.
  - DKnoll 8y ago
    Personally I would consider caffeine more impairing than nicotine but I don't think either are a big concern as far as impairment goes. Impairment on those substances is probably best handled in law with the same general, hand-wavey subsections as drinking too much water or eating too much Taco Bell.
    - danlugo92 8y ago
      Aren't stimulants the opposite of impairing? :shrugs:
      - 8y ago
bobthepanda 8y ago
Washington seems like a functional market in my personal experience.
- jerrysievert 8y ago
  oregon as well - it seemed to burgeon after the legislature stepped in.
  - amanaplanacanal 8y ago
    Yes. My experience in the west side of Oregon is that there are stores everywhere, though I know that isn't true in smaller rural communities. Prices have come down considerably since the stores first opened. I've watched the sign out front of one store I drive past frequently go from $7 per gram, to $5 per gram, now at $3 per gram, and I expect it to continue downward.
    - jerrysievert 8y ago
      there are portions of rural oregon that have been continually sued to reverse the laws, and there is a list of parts of oregon that have disallowed sale: https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/documents/cities_counties_rmjoptout.pdf https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/documents/cities_count... for the most part, those are rural communities - i suspect there would be shops there if they were allowed.

v_lisivka 8y ago

This shit is known for thousands years. We have enough experience with it to judge.

andai 8y ago

Long time coffee and cannabis user here, I'm curious in what ways you'd say cannabis is safer than coffee?

quickthrower2 8y ago
Well, if you spill hot coffee on you it can hurt a bit.
- andai 8y ago
  I once put a lit joint in my pocket for safekeeping, and burned a hole in my wallet.
gnulinux 8y ago
They're both very safe but we have a lot evidence suggesting THC and CBD have tons of medical benefits. I'm not aware of any medical benefits of caffeine. I do know that some NSAIDs include caffeine to combat fatigue, but that's about it. Also have you ever got addicted to caffeine? It's a bitch to stop drinking, you get headaches like someone's hammering your skull. While it's possible to get physically addicted to THC, it's much harder than getting addicted to caffeine. One should also mention that weed is by no means 100% safe. I myself was once hospitalized due to a panic attack caused by too much weed. But compared to other "normal" drugs like nicotine, alcohol, caffeine etc weed is among safest.

DKnoll 8y ago

>or the government (Canada) are your drug dealer The Canadian federal government does not sell cannabis. Some of the provincial governments do but not all. Many (I love that word) provinces, including Ontario, allow the private sector to sell cannabis with the correct license. >When alcohol and coffee are so normalized that people can consume these drugs even in workplaces, it's simply ridiculous how we treat weed, quite possibly a safer drug There are very few workplaces in Canada where drinking on the job would be accepted. Between cannabis and alcohol, cannabis is probably more acceptable. Caffeine definitely causes a lesser level of impairment than either cannabis or alcohol and is not really comparable. A workplace doesn't really care about the level of medical harms caused by a drug, just the level of impairment, which is why 'nobody' (disclaimer: I'm sure a statistically insignificant number of people do) gets fired for taking a smoke break (off company time of course). Keep in mind that cannabis is technically illegal across the US, the US federal government just chooses not to enforce the law in renegade states for the most part. The Canadian and American situations are not comparable.

dugditches 8y ago
Maybe Nicotine rather than Alcohol would have been better for his point. But I'd still trust Joe to drive the forklift after a cup of coffee and cigarette than a drink and a doob.
- DKnoll 8y ago
  Personally I would consider caffeine more impairing than nicotine but I don't think either are a big concern as far as impairment goes. Impairment on those substances is probably best handled in law with the same general, hand-wavey subsections as drinking too much water or eating too much Taco Bell.
  - danlugo92 8y ago
    Aren't stimulants the opposite of impairing? :shrugs:
    - 8y ago

bobthepanda 8y ago

Washington seems like a functional market in my personal experience.

jerrysievert 8y ago
oregon as well - it seemed to burgeon after the legislature stepped in.
- amanaplanacanal 8y ago
  Yes. My experience in the west side of Oregon is that there are stores everywhere, though I know that isn't true in smaller rural communities. Prices have come down considerably since the stores first opened. I've watched the sign out front of one store I drive past frequently go from $7 per gram, to $5 per gram, now at $3 per gram, and I expect it to continue downward.
  - jerrysievert 8y ago
    there are portions of rural oregon that have been continually sued to reverse the laws, and there is a list of parts of oregon that have disallowed sale: https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/documents/cities_counties_rmjoptout.pdf https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/marijuana/documents/cities_count... for the most part, those are rural communities - i suspect there would be shops there if they were allowed.