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Interesting thought. Might partially explain why Germany balked at the US request for banning Huwei phones from 5G. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/21/future-

Interesting thought. Might partially explain why Germany balked at the US request for banning Huwei phones from 5G. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/21/future-of-5g-us-allies-defy-washingtons-please-to-ban-huawei.html https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/03/21/future-of-5g-us-allies-d...

Stranger43 8y ago
One of the things completely written out of the us press record of state hacking is that way before the US was concerned about china Germany made credible accusations against the NSA for conducting industrial espionage in Germany. And when you then remember the project Gladio revelations of the early 90ies/late 80ies and the fact that the last of America's house trained nazi's(the Gehlen organization) would have retired from west Germany influence and you get the idea that the modern German intelligence services consider some parts of the US intelligence network to have become "captured" by non-democratic interests, something the french realized doing the campaign by the OAS against DeGaule in the 60ies when DeGaule suspected that the CIA was not exactly his ally in trying to stamp out right wing coup mongers from inside the french army. And while all of this have been published by mainstream academics and journalists it's completely left out of any narrative about America's place in the world put forward by the "mainstream"(as in approved by the establishment) American press today when discussing America's place in a post cold war mercantilist conflict against countries that are not taking orders from Washington, nor buying more from the US then they sell to the US. The problem here is of cause if you consider American authorities to be captured by an mercantilist elite waging an commercial conflict on everyone else the way America accuse the Chinese of doing then the obvious thing is to ban American and Chinese tech from your networks as neither can be considered reliable partners and to be honest an better argument can be made that America with it's rising domestic problem and declining economy is the party more likely to pull the trigger and cause problems for the European economy by utilizing backdoors for harm, then for China doing the same from a position of economic growth.
luckylion 8y ago
To Germany, it's either being spied on by the US or by China. There's no "we won't be spied on"-choice, it's only about how much they'll pay for the tech that might be used to spy on them. Banning Huawei makes no sense at all from that perspective.

Stranger43 8y ago

One of the things completely written out of the us press record of state hacking is that way before the US was concerned about china Germany made credible accusations against the NSA for conducting industrial espionage in Germany. And when you then remember the project Gladio revelations of the early 90ies/late 80ies and the fact that the last of America's house trained nazi's(the Gehlen organization) would have retired from west Germany influence and you get the idea that the modern German intelligence services consider some parts of the US intelligence network to have become "captured" by non-democratic interests, something the french realized doing the campaign by the OAS against DeGaule in the 60ies when DeGaule suspected that the CIA was not exactly his ally in trying to stamp out right wing coup mongers from inside the french army. And while all of this have been published by mainstream academics and journalists it's completely left out of any narrative about America's place in the world put forward by the "mainstream"(as in approved by the establishment) American press today when discussing America's place in a post cold war mercantilist conflict against countries that are not taking orders from Washington, nor buying more from the US then they sell to the US. The problem here is of cause if you consider American authorities to be captured by an mercantilist elite waging an commercial conflict on everyone else the way America accuse the Chinese of doing then the obvious thing is to ban American and Chinese tech from your networks as neither can be considered reliable partners and to be honest an better argument can be made that America with it's rising domestic problem and declining economy is the party more likely to pull the trigger and cause problems for the European economy by utilizing backdoors for harm, then for China doing the same from a position of economic growth.

luckylion 8y ago

To Germany, it's either being spied on by the US or by China. There's no "we won't be spied on"-choice, it's only about how much they'll pay for the tech that might be used to spy on them. Banning Huawei makes no sense at all from that perspective.