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One could make the case that Chinese businesses and governments have a tighter relationship where the fruits of such hacking could be used to benefit businesses

by wpasc 8y ago

One could make the case that Chinese businesses and governments have a tighter relationship where the fruits of such hacking could be used to benefit businesses. While the NSA/other US gov agencies may be hacking chinese companies, I have yet to see any indication that it is done for the purposes of IP theft and/or anything is being shared with US businesses.

hansjorg 8y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140
- Mindless2112 8y ago
  "[Checking] whether European companies were breaking trade embargos" is not the same as government-assisted industrial espionage.
  - hansjorg 8y ago
    The EU claims information obtained by the US government was fed to amongst others Boeing and McDonnel Douglas.
lampenrad 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial... In 1999, Enercon, a German company and leading manufacturer of wind energy equipment, developed a breakthrough generator for wind turbines. After applying for a US patent, it had learned that Kenetech, an American rival, had submitted an almost identical patent application shortly before. By the statement of a former NSA employee, it was later discovered that the NSA had secretly intercepted and monitored Enercon's data communications and conference calls and passed information regarding the new generator to Kenetech.[69] As German intelligence services are forbidden from engaging in industrial or economic espionage, German companies are frequently complaining that this leaves them defenceless against industrial espionage from the United States. According to Wolfgang Hoffmann, a former manager at Bayer, German intelligence services are aware which companies are being targeted by US intelligence agencies, but refuse to inform the companies involved.[70]

by wpasc 8y ago

hansjorg 8y ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32542140

Mindless2112 8y ago
"[Checking] whether European companies were breaking trade embargos" is not the same as government-assisted industrial espionage.
- hansjorg 8y ago
  The EU claims information obtained by the US government was fed to amongst others Boeing and McDonnel Douglas.

lampenrad 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#Examples_of_industrial... In 1999, Enercon, a German company and leading manufacturer of wind energy equipment, developed a breakthrough generator for wind turbines. After applying for a US patent, it had learned that Kenetech, an American rival, had submitted an almost identical patent application shortly before. By the statement of a former NSA employee, it was later discovered that the NSA had secretly intercepted and monitored Enercon's data communications and conference calls and passed information regarding the new generator to Kenetech.[69] As German intelligence services are forbidden from engaging in industrial or economic espionage, German companies are frequently complaining that this leaves them defenceless against industrial espionage from the United States. According to Wolfgang Hoffmann, a former manager at Bayer, German intelligence services are aware which companies are being targeted by US intelligence agencies, but refuse to inform the companies involved.[70]