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At this point honestly it's an objectively worse decision to not use modern IDEs. (It's not a matter of taste anymore.) IDEs have gotten really good. If you onl

by zelly 8y ago

At this point honestly it's an objectively worse decision to not use modern IDEs. (It's not a matter of taste anymore.) IDEs have gotten really good. If you only use Emacs or vim, you're literally putting yourself at a competitive disadvantage. All the avante garde language extensions (Rust, D, etc.) support VS Code better than Emacs now. VS Code is where all the new ideas are tried first.

Asooka 8y ago
I've used both Visual Studio (not Code) and Vim and I have to say, the improvements over my Vim setup are pretty marginal for C++ code. Every time people come out saying you can't possibly be productive with Vim in <current year> it always feels a bit like they're projecting their own insecurities. All I really miss in Vim is good debugger integration, but so far I make do ok with plain gdb in a terminal. And this is a big enterprise codebase with ~150 developers working on it. It's perfectly ok to use whatever you like, I just don't see why you need to accuse perfectly good tools of inadequacy - you might end up turning away someone who would be most productive in vim/emacs vs IntelliJ or VS. That said, VSCode has a lot of good ideas around tooling and I've been toying with the idea of looking into making a fork that replaces the editor component with an embedded NeoVim. I feel that would be the best of both worlds, but obviously a huge undertaking. There is already NyaoVim that implements a NeoVim gui as a web component.
- Cyph0n 8y ago
  I agree with your point about Vim being more than adequate for development in a large codebase. I only learned Vim recently and I have hit no issues so far working on a large enough codebase such that navigation and autocompletion wouldn’t work effectively for any IDE. I instead use cscope and ctags which allow me to selectively setup navigation and autocomplete from within Vim. Regarding your last point: that already exists https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim
telekid 8y ago
Emacs now has great support for Language Server Protocol, which provides you with basically all of the code intelligence that powers VS Code.
skummetmaelk 8y ago
Objectively? Yeah I don't think so.
mruts 8y ago
Could you give an example of how an IDE could make you much more productive than emacs?

by zelly 8y ago

Asooka 8y ago

I've used both Visual Studio (not Code) and Vim and I have to say, the improvements over my Vim setup are pretty marginal for C++ code. Every time people come out saying you can't possibly be productive with Vim in <current year> it always feels a bit like they're projecting their own insecurities. All I really miss in Vim is good debugger integration, but so far I make do ok with plain gdb in a terminal. And this is a big enterprise codebase with ~150 developers working on it. It's perfectly ok to use whatever you like, I just don't see why you need to accuse perfectly good tools of inadequacy - you might end up turning away someone who would be most productive in vim/emacs vs IntelliJ or VS. That said, VSCode has a lot of good ideas around tooling and I've been toying with the idea of looking into making a fork that replaces the editor component with an embedded NeoVim. I feel that would be the best of both worlds, but obviously a huge undertaking. There is already NyaoVim that implements a NeoVim gui as a web component.

Cyph0n 8y ago
I agree with your point about Vim being more than adequate for development in a large codebase. I only learned Vim recently and I have hit no issues so far working on a large enough codebase such that navigation and autocompletion wouldn’t work effectively for any IDE. I instead use cscope and ctags which allow me to selectively setup navigation and autocomplete from within Vim. Regarding your last point: that already exists https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim

telekid 8y ago

Emacs now has great support for Language Server Protocol, which provides you with basically all of the code intelligence that powers VS Code.

skummetmaelk 8y ago

Objectively? Yeah I don't think so.

mruts 8y ago

Could you give an example of how an IDE could make you much more productive than emacs?