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> (or Chelsea Manning) as a blameless hero like Edward Snowden. Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Who is closer to being "blameles

> (or Chelsea Manning) as a blameless hero like Edward Snowden. Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Who is closer to being "blameless"? And I thought that collusion with Russia is something that people are somewhat concerned about, lately. Also, why are you saying that Assange never made any attempt to crack that password? Why then would he ever want to actively mislead Manning by suggesting otherwise? That's a really fanciful scenario.

colejohnson66 8y ago
> Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Ah, the old “Snowden fled to Russia” trope. That’s false. He was in Russia when the US canceled his passport. As a consequence of that, he was unable to leave Russia.
- jbharter 8y ago
  I've heard this too, looking for reputable source....
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  - blihp 8y ago
    It was a very, very, very well covered story at the time: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/24/edward-snowden-russia-moscow-airport/2582189/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/24/edward-... (if you don't like USA Today, which was just the top news source listed in my search results, just poke around for 'snowden airport' around the same time period in your preferred news outlet's archives)
    - jbharter 8y ago
      Thanks, I was younger and not as interested in world news at the time.
- votepaunchy 8y ago
  Assange was granted Ecuadorian citizenship. Since Snowden was destined for Ecuador he likely could have requested the same.
  - Arnt 8y ago
    And might well have been granted it. But he couldn't teleport there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident
hnbroseph 8y ago
> one of them went to Russia, the other didn't i really don't understand how this can possibly be seen as some kind of knock-down argument by some. what gives? are people being intellectually dishonest?

colejohnson66 8y ago

> Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Ah, the old “Snowden fled to Russia” trope. That’s false. He was in Russia when the US canceled his passport. As a consequence of that, he was unable to leave Russia.

jbharter 8y ago
I've heard this too, looking for reputable source....
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- blihp 8y ago
  It was a very, very, very well covered story at the time: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/24/edward-snowden-russia-moscow-airport/2582189/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/24/edward-... (if you don't like USA Today, which was just the top news source listed in my search results, just poke around for 'snowden airport' around the same time period in your preferred news outlet's archives)
  - jbharter 8y ago
    Thanks, I was younger and not as interested in world news at the time.
votepaunchy 8y ago
Assange was granted Ecuadorian citizenship. Since Snowden was destined for Ecuador he likely could have requested the same.
- Arnt 8y ago
  And might well have been granted it. But he couldn't teleport there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident

hnbroseph 8y ago

> one of them went to Russia, the other didn't i really don't understand how this can possibly be seen as some kind of knock-down argument by some. what gives? are people being intellectually dishonest?