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The vision of a IPFS-powered web working is beautiful. However I would love to see a reference implementation that works at minimum and not just drains out you

The vision of a IPFS-powered web working is beautiful. However I would love to see a reference implementation that works at minimum and not just drains out your computer up to latest resource it may have. If we're so near the "production-ready" status of the reference implementations then I think that goal will never be achieved.

robto 8y ago
That's what's got me excited - they've managed to articulate a vision for the future that I'm totally on board with: decentralized, privacy respecting, and user owned. I really want to see that vision become a reality.
- marknadal 8y ago
  it is already here! If you use a mix of SSB, GUN, DAT, IPFS, & WebTorrent. SSB = Social-like P2P data. GUN = Firebase-like P2P data. SEA = End-to-end encryption. ( https://gun.eco/docs/SEA https://gun.eco/docs/SEA ) DAT = GIT-like P2P data. IPFS = Images/assets. WebTorrent = Video-like P2P data.
  - philips 8y ago
    Are there example applications with some complexity on GUN?
    - marknadal 8y ago
      Yes, D.Tube, The Internet Archive, Notabug.io (warning: its getting spammed by altrighters currently), etc. Only saw your comment now, will reply on Twitter too - long time no see since #hashtheplanet !
      - philips 8y ago
        It would be great to get case studies with some information on how they use the platform into the docs. GUN sounds reasonable from the description but it is really difficult to visualize using it in a larger app.
        marknadal 8y ago
        Case studies would be great, nobody is getting paid tho. What info you looking for? I can try digging it up for you. Notabug basically does everything Reddit does + more. Would that qualify as a larger app? What in particular, what do you think would be difficult?
- Razengan 8y ago
  For the internet to be truly decentralized, it needs to be so at the physical connectivity layer as well. Perhaps a worldwide swarm of drones creating a mesh network.
  - OrgNet 8y ago
    Solar powered drone planes would be nice... or maybe even a swarm of satellites will eventually be possible.
    - Razengan 8y ago
      I'm picturing something more like bird-like or even moth-like drones, intelligently repositioning themselves to provide the widest coverage. Satellites are too big of a target, and not very transparent; e.g. we wouldn't know if someone went up there and installed some snooping hardware. The same can be said about drones, but with proper swarms the chances of you connected to a compromised drone would be less.
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  - int_19h 8y ago
    I wonder how much Broadband-HamNet could scale in practice.
dymk 8y ago
I see this comment often when IPFS is discussed - but the devil is in the details when it comes to replacing the underlying tech of "the web" with something else. How does an IPFS powered website do dynamic content? User sessions? Is all the client's session data encoded in the IPFS address itself? Even if there's no user sessions, but the page content updates, how do you continuously point clients to fetch the right updated page (e.g. how would you implement a Hacker News style aggregator that updates every minute)? IPFS does static content just fine - CAS-es are wonderful for that - but websites are much more than static content.
- fiatjaf 8y ago
  Dynamic content is not the problem. I don't want dynamic content. I think HTTP and servers are the way to go on dynamic content. I just tried, for years, to use IPFS as a way to distribute static content (you know, stuff that will never ever change, even if that stuff is referenced from a dynamic location), and the problems I encountered were so many I finally gave up. I would love to see all these problems solved and IPFS working very well in the next few years, but I'm afraid the IPFS people are very good in making press releases and presentations, but not in delivering really good software as they say they do. Anyway, they have no obligation to deliver anything to anyone -- except maybe the people who entered the Filecoin ICO.
  - dymk 8y ago
    If you want IPFS to be a replacement technology for the web, you need dynamic content. Else, it's a useful static content distribution network, but it's not "the web", not even in the sense of what the web was in the 90s, or the "web" any more than Bittorrent is. Now, obviously, they're under no obligation to deliver anything. But I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say: The vision of a IPFS-powered web working is beautiful Only handling the static part of webhosting is something, but it's not everything.
    - resonious 8y ago
      I'm under the impression that the original comment was referring to an IPFS-powered web, rather than the web being powered by IPFS. Good ol' HTTP servers will continue to form the web as we know it, and IPFS can provide a new web of static content.
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robto 8y ago

That's what's got me excited - they've managed to articulate a vision for the future that I'm totally on board with: decentralized, privacy respecting, and user owned. I really want to see that vision become a reality.

marknadal 8y ago
it is already here! If you use a mix of SSB, GUN, DAT, IPFS, & WebTorrent. SSB = Social-like P2P data. GUN = Firebase-like P2P data. SEA = End-to-end encryption. ( https://gun.eco/docs/SEA https://gun.eco/docs/SEA ) DAT = GIT-like P2P data. IPFS = Images/assets. WebTorrent = Video-like P2P data.
- philips 8y ago
  Are there example applications with some complexity on GUN?
  - marknadal 8y ago
    Yes, D.Tube, The Internet Archive, Notabug.io (warning: its getting spammed by altrighters currently), etc. Only saw your comment now, will reply on Twitter too - long time no see since #hashtheplanet !
    - philips 8y ago
      It would be great to get case studies with some information on how they use the platform into the docs. GUN sounds reasonable from the description but it is really difficult to visualize using it in a larger app.
      - marknadal 8y ago
        Case studies would be great, nobody is getting paid tho. What info you looking for? I can try digging it up for you. Notabug basically does everything Reddit does + more. Would that qualify as a larger app? What in particular, what do you think would be difficult?
Razengan 8y ago
For the internet to be truly decentralized, it needs to be so at the physical connectivity layer as well. Perhaps a worldwide swarm of drones creating a mesh network.
- OrgNet 8y ago
  Solar powered drone planes would be nice... or maybe even a swarm of satellites will eventually be possible.
  - Razengan 8y ago
    I'm picturing something more like bird-like or even moth-like drones, intelligently repositioning themselves to provide the widest coverage. Satellites are too big of a target, and not very transparent; e.g. we wouldn't know if someone went up there and installed some snooping hardware. The same can be said about drones, but with proper swarms the chances of you connected to a compromised drone would be less.
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- int_19h 8y ago
  I wonder how much Broadband-HamNet could scale in practice.

dymk 8y ago

I see this comment often when IPFS is discussed - but the devil is in the details when it comes to replacing the underlying tech of "the web" with something else. How does an IPFS powered website do dynamic content? User sessions? Is all the client's session data encoded in the IPFS address itself? Even if there's no user sessions, but the page content updates, how do you continuously point clients to fetch the right updated page (e.g. how would you implement a Hacker News style aggregator that updates every minute)? IPFS does static content just fine - CAS-es are wonderful for that - but websites are much more than static content.

fiatjaf 8y ago
Dynamic content is not the problem. I don't want dynamic content. I think HTTP and servers are the way to go on dynamic content. I just tried, for years, to use IPFS as a way to distribute static content (you know, stuff that will never ever change, even if that stuff is referenced from a dynamic location), and the problems I encountered were so many I finally gave up. I would love to see all these problems solved and IPFS working very well in the next few years, but I'm afraid the IPFS people are very good in making press releases and presentations, but not in delivering really good software as they say they do. Anyway, they have no obligation to deliver anything to anyone -- except maybe the people who entered the Filecoin ICO.
- dymk 8y ago
  If you want IPFS to be a replacement technology for the web, you need dynamic content. Else, it's a useful static content distribution network, but it's not "the web", not even in the sense of what the web was in the 90s, or the "web" any more than Bittorrent is. Now, obviously, they're under no obligation to deliver anything. But I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say: The vision of a IPFS-powered web working is beautiful Only handling the static part of webhosting is something, but it's not everything.
  - resonious 8y ago
    I'm under the impression that the original comment was referring to an IPFS-powered web, rather than the web being powered by IPFS. Good ol' HTTP servers will continue to form the web as we know it, and IPFS can provide a new web of static content.

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