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A friend of mine worked in the US for 17 years under various visas, but never managed to get her green card. She is facing retirement without the social securit
by bdamm 8y ago
A friend of mine worked in the US for 17 years under various visas, but never managed to get her green card. She is facing retirement without the social security she was taxed to fund. She also won't get anything of usable value from the old-age pension program in her country of origin since she worked out of country for so many years. A real immigration trap.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoThe US and several other countries have reciprocal agreements with regards to payments into social security/retirement programs; did your friend neither save for retirement nor comes from a country with a reciprocal agreement?
- booleandilemma 8y agoWhen someone goes to the US to work, aren’t they doing it to be paid wages they wouldn’t be able to make in their home country? That in and of itself is a nice benefit.
- allannienhuis 8y agoI don't think everyone immigrating to the U.S. does so for 'jobs/money'. Plenty of people immigrate for family and relationship reasons, many from first-world countries.
- booleandilemma 8y agoI agree, and that’s why I said When someone goes to the US to work...
- bdamm 8y agoNo. Even if it were true, how does that justify not getting the social security that was paid into? Costs are higher in the states too. Also, you have an odd assumption that people who move to the US for family or social reasons won’t be working. How do you think people support themselves?
- DoofusOfDeath 8y ago> No. Even if it were true, how does that justify not getting the social security that was paid into? Did the U.S. change the rules on her, or could she have seen this problem coming?
- bdamm 8y agoThere are far too many variables for a normal person to comprehend. Her mistake was not hiring an immigration lawyer.
- booleandilemma 8y agohow does that justify not getting the social security that was paid into? You come here, you work, and you pay social security. That’s how it works. You have the odd assumption everyone is entitled to the social security they pay. If people don’t like the rules they can find another country to work in.
- cletus 8y agoWhat is her country of citizenship? There are different rules on eligibility for non-US citizens living abroad based on your other citizenship.
- bdamm 8y agoCanada. My understanding was that green card holders get social security, but non permanent residents don't, no matter how many years they've been working in the states. But if in fact the visa status at time of working or time of collection doesn't matter, then that would be welcome news indeed. Also the Canadian version of SS is a sliding scale based on how many years you paid into it, I implicitly assumed it's the same for the US but only now realized that might not be the case.
- mcguire 8y agoIt seems likely that she would be eligible for Canadian benefits. https://www.ssa.gov/international/agreement_descriptions.html https://www.ssa.gov/international/agreement_descriptions.htm...
- patrickg_zill 8y agoPretty sure that totalization covers this
- refurb 8y agoFrom a quick google search, you don’t necessarily need to have a green card. Not sure what the requirements are though.