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This is an empty promise. BC, Ontario and many other provinces made emission reduction promises for 2020 back is the early 2000’s. It’s already clear these won’

This is an empty promise. BC, Ontario and many other provinces made emission reduction promises for 2020 back is the early 2000’s. It’s already clear these won’t be met, so I am dubious of the province to meet something this far off

sb057 8y ago
After all, the politicians passing this will be dead by then, or at the very least out of office, so why bother passing legislation that will actually fix stuff when you can just pass the problem to the next generation while still reaping the political benefits?
esaym 8y ago
And I think in the 1970's it was Jimmy Carter that demanded all cars get 40mpg by 1990 so...
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  Compact cars (Tercel, Escort, Civic, etc) were getting 40mpg in 1990. If it weren't for the perpetual safety arms race making vehicles fat we'd likely have crossovers that get a real world 40-50mpg by now.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    When you spin it like that, that sounds like a good thing. Though more efficient cars AND increasingly fewer people on the roads may have helped carbon emissions.
SECProto 8y ago
> BC, Ontario and many other provinces made emission reduction promises for 2020 back is the early 2000’s. It’s already clear these won’t be met, so I am dubious of the province to meet something this far off What promises did BC make? I wasn't able to find the specific promises, so I can't tell what you mean. BC is currently sitting at about -30% per capita CO2 emissions relative to 2000 [1]. Total emissions reduction isn't quite as impressive, but they have still reduced CO2 while increasing population and GDP.[2] Hard to say more without knowing what you're referencing, but it's still significantly better than most jurisdictions! Ontario is not really the scope of these comments, but I took a look out of curiousity. Back in 2006, they set goals for 2014, 2020, 2030, and 2050. They met the 2014 goal [3], mostly through reduction of co2 emissions in the electricity sector. To meet the 2020 goals, they needed a bigger reduction, and had a strong plan[4] to meet it - subsidize electric cars, cap and trade industrial emissions, etc - but they elected a populist idiot who scrapped all that. So I agree that Ontario won't meet their 2020 goal. [1] http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/images/ghg_pop_plot.svg http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/image... [2] http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-e... [3] https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-Report_Chapter-2.pdf https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-R... [4] https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-Report_Chapter-4.pdf https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-R...

sb057 8y ago

After all, the politicians passing this will be dead by then, or at the very least out of office, so why bother passing legislation that will actually fix stuff when you can just pass the problem to the next generation while still reaping the political benefits?

esaym 8y ago

And I think in the 1970's it was Jimmy Carter that demanded all cars get 40mpg by 1990 so...

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
Compact cars (Tercel, Escort, Civic, etc) were getting 40mpg in 1990. If it weren't for the perpetual safety arms race making vehicles fat we'd likely have crossovers that get a real world 40-50mpg by now.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  When you spin it like that, that sounds like a good thing. Though more efficient cars AND increasingly fewer people on the roads may have helped carbon emissions.

SECProto 8y ago

> BC, Ontario and many other provinces made emission reduction promises for 2020 back is the early 2000’s. It’s already clear these won’t be met, so I am dubious of the province to meet something this far off What promises did BC make? I wasn't able to find the specific promises, so I can't tell what you mean. BC is currently sitting at about -30% per capita CO2 emissions relative to 2000 [1]. Total emissions reduction isn't quite as impressive, but they have still reduced CO2 while increasing population and GDP.[2] Hard to say more without knowing what you're referencing, but it's still significantly better than most jurisdictions! Ontario is not really the scope of these comments, but I took a look out of curiousity. Back in 2006, they set goals for 2014, 2020, 2030, and 2050. They met the 2014 goal [3], mostly through reduction of co2 emissions in the electricity sector. To meet the 2020 goals, they needed a bigger reduction, and had a strong plan[4] to meet it - subsidize electric cars, cap and trade industrial emissions, etc - but they elected a populist idiot who scrapped all that. So I agree that Ontario won't meet their 2020 goal. [1] http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/images/ghg_pop_plot.svg http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/image... [2] http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-emissions.html http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/soe/indicators/sustainability/ghg-e... [3] https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-Report_Chapter-2.pdf https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-R... [4] https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-Report_Chapter-4.pdf https://media.assets.eco.on.ca/web/2016/11/2016-Annual-GHG-R...