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Anyone want to lay odds on these cars ending up in a “certified pre-owned” program instead? This seems like a scheme to both boost future new car sales and eff

Anyone want to lay odds on these cars ending up in a “certified pre-owned” program instead? This seems like a scheme to both boost future new car sales and effectively “sell” the same car twice.

ergothus 8y ago
I recall a LOT of EV-1 owners (relatively speaking) that wanted to buy their vehicles when the program ended, and they were denied. Doesn't mean anything here, other than it is really hard to predict what "dumb" choices companies will make.
- coredog64 8y ago
  You can’t compare EV-1 to Tesla. GM would have had a liability tail for the EV-1 (injuries and Magnussen-Moss parts/repairs). Tesla doesn’t have that problem since they already sell cars outright.
- maxerickson 8y ago
  Did they make credible offers in terms of the costs GM would incur by selling them? (Imagine the fun news articles about GM selling them cars and then not having repair parts)
Someone1234 8y ago
Unless they completely replaced the cells in the battery packs, I'd pass on a pre-owned EV. Even modern battery packs degrade year on year.
- Shivetya 8y ago
  Tesla sells a good number of S and X models that are used. People still buy used Leafs and some of those were notorious for battery issues. Unlike Nissan Tesla packs are liquid cooled and managed. So for the most part what many have to move on from is the stereotype incurred by one brand having battery longevity issues affecting the perception of the industry. However I think it is a good idea to state they have a use for the off lease cars which gives them an out with having to expense new vehicles for such a risk venture; I am not a believer in anyone's autonomy programs. (disclaimer, I own a TM3)
- hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
  I completely disagree (and FWIW I own a used Chevy Volt): https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90-capacity-after-160000-miles-may-last-for-500000-miles/ https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90... Also, lots of cars come off lease with under 50k miles on it, so no reason to think the car would just be discounted by the relatively small amount of lowered battery capacity at this mileage.
- village-idiot 8y ago
  Battery degradation is largely a matter of use + thermal management. Since cars have thermal control systems installed (unlike your phone), you should expect a car battery to last a lot longer than a cell phone does.
gibybo 8y ago
If I could bet $100 to win $1 that they don't end up in a self-driving fleet at the end of the lease, I would.
- leesec 8y ago
  You can. I'll happily take this up to 1k.
  - SEJeff 8y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStakesTeslaMotors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStakesTeslaMotors/
    - toomuchtodo 8y ago
      https://www.longbets.org https://www.longbets.org might be a better place.

ergothus 8y ago

I recall a LOT of EV-1 owners (relatively speaking) that wanted to buy their vehicles when the program ended, and they were denied. Doesn't mean anything here, other than it is really hard to predict what "dumb" choices companies will make.

coredog64 8y ago
You can’t compare EV-1 to Tesla. GM would have had a liability tail for the EV-1 (injuries and Magnussen-Moss parts/repairs). Tesla doesn’t have that problem since they already sell cars outright.
maxerickson 8y ago
Did they make credible offers in terms of the costs GM would incur by selling them? (Imagine the fun news articles about GM selling them cars and then not having repair parts)

Someone1234 8y ago

Unless they completely replaced the cells in the battery packs, I'd pass on a pre-owned EV. Even modern battery packs degrade year on year.

Shivetya 8y ago
Tesla sells a good number of S and X models that are used. People still buy used Leafs and some of those were notorious for battery issues. Unlike Nissan Tesla packs are liquid cooled and managed. So for the most part what many have to move on from is the stereotype incurred by one brand having battery longevity issues affecting the perception of the industry. However I think it is a good idea to state they have a use for the off lease cars which gives them an out with having to expense new vehicles for such a risk venture; I am not a believer in anyone's autonomy programs. (disclaimer, I own a TM3)
hn_throwaway_99 8y ago
I completely disagree (and FWIW I own a used Chevy Volt): https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90-capacity-after-160000-miles-may-last-for-500000-miles/ https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90... Also, lots of cars come off lease with under 50k miles on it, so no reason to think the car would just be discounted by the relatively small amount of lowered battery capacity at this mileage.
village-idiot 8y ago
Battery degradation is largely a matter of use + thermal management. Since cars have thermal control systems installed (unlike your phone), you should expect a car battery to last a lot longer than a cell phone does.

gibybo 8y ago

If I could bet $100 to win $1 that they don't end up in a self-driving fleet at the end of the lease, I would.

leesec 8y ago
You can. I'll happily take this up to 1k.
- SEJeff 8y ago
  https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStakesTeslaMotors/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStakesTeslaMotors/
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    https://www.longbets.org https://www.longbets.org might be a better place.