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Who is doing the fruit labor in this example?

by z_ 7y ago

mises 7y ago
Sorry, overall my above comment had two sub-points: First, the point that employees are not always shareholders. They get payed to do a job at a wage accepted by both the company and employee. Second, the idea of socialism over all. As Marx described it, it's merely a transitional phase: the means of production is taken from capitalists and given to the government to basically hold in custody until it can be passed to the people. Don't believe me that this push is happening? Elizabeth Warren wants workers placed on company boards. The fruits are those produced by someone who works, be it for a company or starting his own. I go out and earn money, and socialism says I must give that money away, not to the government to uphold the social contract. Rather, it says I must give it to anyone who does not have a constantly-changing set of "basic needs", simply by virtue of their existence. It's not encouragement to give to charity (which I already do, as I can), but rather coercion by the government.
- maxxxxx 7y ago
  I hate this straight jump to warnings of socialism whenever somebody questions the current system. There is much more nuance. In Germany workers get a seat on the board of directors and from what I know these companies still make the owners rich and the country is quite different from Venezuela.
  - mises 7y ago
    The headline of the article is that Silicon Valley has a "budding socialist movement". Even if it's not a full-scale war, it's still a move toward it (and quickly). Don't believe me? Take a look at this recent article: https://qz.com/1580091/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-how-far-left-the-democrats-are-going/ https://qz.com/1580091/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-how-far-left... Scroll down to the graphic, and look at the massive recent leftward lurch by the Democratic party.
    - maxxxxx 7y ago
      “Socialist” is a meaningless label by itself. In the US they call Sweden and Venezuela “socialist” although they are totally different countries. " Even if it's not a full-scale war, it's still a move toward it (and quickly). " that's just scaremongering. Why use words like "war"?
      - mises 7y ago
        Your first point is a baseless assertion; I will ignore it, as you can't really argue against a "yuh-huh". I used the word war because that's typically how socialist and communist governments have gotten into place.
        maxxxxx 7y ago
        You can't compare creation of a communist government to unionization. This makes no sense.
- donaldknuth123 7y ago
  >Elizabeth Warren wants workers placed on company boards. Employees having a say in what their company does?!?!?! OH THE HUMANITY, THINK OF THE INVESTORS!!! /s BTW Von Mises is a crank and anyone that follows Austrian economics is a fool or a charlatan.

Who is doing the fruit labor in this example?

by z_ 7y ago

Who is doing the fruit labor in this example?

Sorry, overall my above comment had two sub-points: First, the point that employees are not always shareholders. They get payed to do a job at a wage accepted by both the company and employee. Second, the idea of socialism over all. As Marx described it, it's merely a transitional phase: the means of production is taken from capitalists and given to the government to basically hold in custody until it can be passed to the people. Don't believe me that this push is happening? Elizabeth Warren wants workers placed on company boards. The fruits are those produced by someone who works, be it for a company or starting his own. I go out and earn money, and socialism says I must give that money away, not to the government to uphold the social contract. Rather, it says I must give it to anyone who does not have a constantly-changing set of "basic needs", simply by virtue of their existence. It's not encouragement to give to charity (which I already do, as I can), but rather coercion by the government.

maxxxxx 7y ago
I hate this straight jump to warnings of socialism whenever somebody questions the current system. There is much more nuance. In Germany workers get a seat on the board of directors and from what I know these companies still make the owners rich and the country is quite different from Venezuela.
- mises 7y ago
  The headline of the article is that Silicon Valley has a "budding socialist movement". Even if it's not a full-scale war, it's still a move toward it (and quickly). Don't believe me? Take a look at this recent article: https://qz.com/1580091/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-how-far-left-the-democrats-are-going/ https://qz.com/1580091/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-how-far-left... Scroll down to the graphic, and look at the massive recent leftward lurch by the Democratic party.
  - maxxxxx 7y ago
    “Socialist” is a meaningless label by itself. In the US they call Sweden and Venezuela “socialist” although they are totally different countries. " Even if it's not a full-scale war, it's still a move toward it (and quickly). " that's just scaremongering. Why use words like "war"?
    - mises 7y ago
      Your first point is a baseless assertion; I will ignore it, as you can't really argue against a "yuh-huh". I used the word war because that's typically how socialist and communist governments have gotten into place.
      - maxxxxx 7y ago
        You can't compare creation of a communist government to unionization. This makes no sense.
donaldknuth123 7y ago
>Elizabeth Warren wants workers placed on company boards. Employees having a say in what their company does?!?!?! OH THE HUMANITY, THINK OF THE INVESTORS!!! /s BTW Von Mises is a crank and anyone that follows Austrian economics is a fool or a charlatan.