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The internet has operated that way forever. Most hosts haven't allowed porn since the beginning of time. You're still free to make your own video hosting websit

by xxpor 8y ago

The internet has operated that way forever. Most hosts haven't allowed porn since the beginning of time. You're still free to make your own video hosting website if you'd like. Liveleak still exists.

A2017U1 8y ago
> You're still free to make your own X It's becoming plainly clear that isn't the case. Liveleak was recently banned in Australia and NZ. Gab extension Dissenter has been banned from both chrome and Firefox app stores despite it self-censoring far more than twitter. Paypal, Stripe and Patreon all deplatform people based on words they have said. I don't agree in the slightest with conservative or far right thought but this direction is scary if it continues. Once they have "fixed" this problem, who is next?
- rchaud 8y ago
  Any content creator takes certain risks when they choose to be a sharecropper on someone else's platform. Websites being banned in Country X have no impact on my ability to spin up a home web server and publish whatever I want. If I reach a certain volume of users, and let the site become host to people fomenting hate or violence, there's a chance someone might look to take the site down. Depending on the type of website you run, that may be the cost of doing business. If you think you might be a target for that kind of action, your game plan needs to have fallbacks: - take personal cheques, gift cards or crypto instead of Patreon/Paypal/Stripe. - Spend ~2 hours of your time learning how to setup a home server w/ a Raspberry Pi or an old laptop. - Start transitioning your users towards the decentralized P2P web (Beaker Browser being an example)
  - whenchamenia 8y ago
    Sharecropper is a great paralell. A sharecropper has no rights to buy his own land, and is forced into a psudeo-slavery, getting all of the burdens and none of the rights to his labor. Sounds unethical.
- prolepunk 8y ago
  > Liveleak was recently banned in Australia and NZ. Because they hosted video of a mass shooting by a right-wing extremist. > Gab extension Dissenter has been banned from both chrome and Firefox app stores despite it self-censoring far more than twitter. Because a right-wing extremists did hang out there, and then he went to commit mass shooting in Pittsburgh. >Paypal, Stripe and Patreon all deplatform people based on words they have said. Because they don't want to take money from right wing extremists. Take Faith Goldy for example, she was de-platformed from Patreon not just any words she said, but for coded neo-nazi words. It almost seems like there is no threat to freedom of anyone's speech at all, its just Nazis using even the most feeble argument to continue to shout their hateful rhetoric.
beaconstudios 8y ago
that's a separate conversation. Youtube promoting or pushing down content based on their idea of "quality" is the concern here.
Mirioron 8y ago
>You're still free to make your own video hosting website if you'd like. Websites like Gab started going down that path. Suddenly it becomes "you're free to make your own payment processor" and then it'll be "you're free to make your own bank". Do you think it'll stop there or do we need to make our own country too just to run a website that's not interfered with because they allow opinions some people don't like?
- krapp 8y ago
  Will no one think of the Nazis? They just want a little breathing room!
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    That's the problem: people that have nothing to do with nazis are labeled nazis and then get deplatformed. How many damn nazis do you think there are that we need entire services demonetized because of them?
    - krapp 8y ago
      >How many damn nazis do you think there are that we need entire services demonetized because of them? If you accept the colloquial definition of "nazis" as "people who support racial supremacist ideology, forced segregation, ethnic violence or the establishment of racial ghettos or an ethnostate" then a lot.

by xxpor 8y ago

The internet has operated that way forever. Most hosts haven't allowed porn since the beginning of time. You're still free to make your own video hosting website if you'd like. Liveleak still exists.

A2017U1 8y ago

> You're still free to make your own X It's becoming plainly clear that isn't the case. Liveleak was recently banned in Australia and NZ. Gab extension Dissenter has been banned from both chrome and Firefox app stores despite it self-censoring far more than twitter. Paypal, Stripe and Patreon all deplatform people based on words they have said. I don't agree in the slightest with conservative or far right thought but this direction is scary if it continues. Once they have "fixed" this problem, who is next?

rchaud 8y ago
Any content creator takes certain risks when they choose to be a sharecropper on someone else's platform. Websites being banned in Country X have no impact on my ability to spin up a home web server and publish whatever I want. If I reach a certain volume of users, and let the site become host to people fomenting hate or violence, there's a chance someone might look to take the site down. Depending on the type of website you run, that may be the cost of doing business. If you think you might be a target for that kind of action, your game plan needs to have fallbacks: - take personal cheques, gift cards or crypto instead of Patreon/Paypal/Stripe. - Spend ~2 hours of your time learning how to setup a home server w/ a Raspberry Pi or an old laptop. - Start transitioning your users towards the decentralized P2P web (Beaker Browser being an example)
- whenchamenia 8y ago
  Sharecropper is a great paralell. A sharecropper has no rights to buy his own land, and is forced into a psudeo-slavery, getting all of the burdens and none of the rights to his labor. Sounds unethical.
prolepunk 8y ago
> Liveleak was recently banned in Australia and NZ. Because they hosted video of a mass shooting by a right-wing extremist. > Gab extension Dissenter has been banned from both chrome and Firefox app stores despite it self-censoring far more than twitter. Because a right-wing extremists did hang out there, and then he went to commit mass shooting in Pittsburgh. >Paypal, Stripe and Patreon all deplatform people based on words they have said. Because they don't want to take money from right wing extremists. Take Faith Goldy for example, she was de-platformed from Patreon not just any words she said, but for coded neo-nazi words. It almost seems like there is no threat to freedom of anyone's speech at all, its just Nazis using even the most feeble argument to continue to shout their hateful rhetoric.

beaconstudios 8y ago

that's a separate conversation. Youtube promoting or pushing down content based on their idea of "quality" is the concern here.

Mirioron 8y ago

>You're still free to make your own video hosting website if you'd like. Websites like Gab started going down that path. Suddenly it becomes "you're free to make your own payment processor" and then it'll be "you're free to make your own bank". Do you think it'll stop there or do we need to make our own country too just to run a website that's not interfered with because they allow opinions some people don't like?

krapp 8y ago
Will no one think of the Nazis? They just want a little breathing room!
- Mirioron 8y ago
  That's the problem: people that have nothing to do with nazis are labeled nazis and then get deplatformed. How many damn nazis do you think there are that we need entire services demonetized because of them?
  - krapp 8y ago
    >How many damn nazis do you think there are that we need entire services demonetized because of them? If you accept the colloquial definition of "nazis" as "people who support racial supremacist ideology, forced segregation, ethnic violence or the establishment of racial ghettos or an ethnostate" then a lot.