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That is the equivalent of deplatforming in a lot of ways, especially on youtube where millions of videos are uploaded daily. If your videos are not suggested, a

That is the equivalent of deplatforming in a lot of ways, especially on youtube where millions of videos are uploaded daily. If your videos are not suggested, and do not show up high in trending or search results, then they practically don't exist except from word of mouth and outside promotion.

krapp 7y ago
Then by definition most videos on Youtube are already "deplatformed," since the space for recommendations and the front page is limited. Why is this suddenly a problem?
- maceurt 7y ago
  False. The trending pages and suggested pages are filled based on google's algorithm that determines which video the user will like/ watch the most. That is the only fair way to determine trending and suggested videos.
  - krapp 7y ago
    How is that fair? Google's algorithm is biased towards what brings revenue for google. Content that isn't easily monetizable is suppressed, and content creators are punished for not conforming their content to what the algorithm wants.
    - maceurt 7y ago
      I never said google should rank pages based on monetization value. I only said based on watch time and how well they predict a user will like that video. That is the only fair way imo. Youtube mostly ranks based off of watch time and machine learning to determine how well a user likes a video, monetization seems to only play a small part.
simias 7y ago
Only if you rely on Youtube to give you exposition instead of merely using it as a video hosting site that you link from somewhere else (personal website, other social network, mailing list, whatever). In this case Youtube's algorithm doesn't really matter and even if they ban your account you can just switch to some other host (or even self-host). But then if you rely solely on Youtube for exposition (and, generally, monetization) you're setting yourself up for this kind of abuse. You need Youtube but unless you're a huge channel commanding millions and millions of views Google doesn't care about you. Worse, if you start bringing controversy you're actually a liability. I think Youtube's behavior is perfectly rational here. I don't understand on what grounds they should be expected to host controversial channels (and on top of that, give them money) if they think it's hurting the website. Google is not the internet (yet), just host somewhere else. Find like-minded people and create your own platform. Make the web decentralized again.
rchaud 7y ago
>If your videos are not suggested, and do not show up high in trending or search results, then they practically don't exist except from word of mouth and outside promotion. Sounds like how the Web should work. If you're searching for it, you can find it. Why should it be spoonfed to users based on the decisions of some algorithmic black box?

krapp 7y ago

Then by definition most videos on Youtube are already "deplatformed," since the space for recommendations and the front page is limited. Why is this suddenly a problem?

maceurt 7y ago
False. The trending pages and suggested pages are filled based on google's algorithm that determines which video the user will like/ watch the most. That is the only fair way to determine trending and suggested videos.
- krapp 7y ago
  How is that fair? Google's algorithm is biased towards what brings revenue for google. Content that isn't easily monetizable is suppressed, and content creators are punished for not conforming their content to what the algorithm wants.
  - maceurt 7y ago
    I never said google should rank pages based on monetization value. I only said based on watch time and how well they predict a user will like that video. That is the only fair way imo. Youtube mostly ranks based off of watch time and machine learning to determine how well a user likes a video, monetization seems to only play a small part.

simias 7y ago

Only if you rely on Youtube to give you exposition instead of merely using it as a video hosting site that you link from somewhere else (personal website, other social network, mailing list, whatever). In this case Youtube's algorithm doesn't really matter and even if they ban your account you can just switch to some other host (or even self-host). But then if you rely solely on Youtube for exposition (and, generally, monetization) you're setting yourself up for this kind of abuse. You need Youtube but unless you're a huge channel commanding millions and millions of views Google doesn't care about you. Worse, if you start bringing controversy you're actually a liability. I think Youtube's behavior is perfectly rational here. I don't understand on what grounds they should be expected to host controversial channels (and on top of that, give them money) if they think it's hurting the website. Google is not the internet (yet), just host somewhere else. Find like-minded people and create your own platform. Make the web decentralized again.

rchaud 7y ago

>If your videos are not suggested, and do not show up high in trending or search results, then they practically don't exist except from word of mouth and outside promotion. Sounds like how the Web should work. If you're searching for it, you can find it. Why should it be spoonfed to users based on the decisions of some algorithmic black box?