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What you describe sounds great, but that's not what WikiLeaks was like. They exposed stuff like "information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinc

What you describe sounds great, but that's not what WikiLeaks was like. They exposed stuff like "information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". Is that the kind of "reams of data and pure info", "hard facts without color" that should be viewed as a "priceless resource for journalists"? Of course not. That's negligent exposure of people's private information, towards absolutely no public interest whatsoever, and causing much public harm. http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-help-dox-most-of-turkeys-adult-female-population.html http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-hel...

ryanlol 8y ago
>"information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". This is a lie spread by serial fabricator Zeynep Tufekci, WL never released or hosted this dump. Wikileaks retweeted a link to this dump. natsecgeek/Emma Best posted this dump by an unknown hacker, WL and thousands of others retweeted it. At the time it wasn’t described as “turkish female voter db” or anything. The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump mentioned in the story. WL never even had the voter data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=...
- laughinghan 8y ago
  Thank you for your detailed response. Can you clarify a few points for me? • You quote some text from my comment and say "This is a lie", but the rest of your statement doesn't appear to contradict anything I wrote, including the part you quoted. Is my understanding correct, that neither the text you quoted nor the rest of my comment are a lie, and in fact are both factually correct? • How many things has "serial fabricator" Zeynep Tefukci fabricated? Can you provide any other examples of things she has fabricated? Are they all about Wikileaks, or does she fabricate things about lots of people and orgs? • To be clear, you're saying that Tefukci did not fabricate that Wikileaks tweeted links to the voter dump, nor did she fabricate the irresponsible and harmful information contained in this dump, right? Did she fabricate anything about this incident, or are you just saying we should expect her to mislead us? • You said "The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump". Zeynep Tefukci claims that Wikileaks tweeted "Here’s the full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more" with a link to the page to download the voter dump: https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063575-CoS7gTvXYAEZmTn.jpg https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063... Is that purported tweet a fabrication, and if so what evidence is there that it's a fabrication? (E.g. the original image that was manipulated to fabricate the screenshot of the tweet, or a link to the tweet whose screenshot was manipulated, or a report asserting that her screenshot was a fabrication from a news source more reputable than HuffPo--not an outrageously high bar, I think we can agree.) Or are you saying that though they tweeted that, nonetheless the voter dump mistake should be considered irrelevant to the AKP email dump story?

ryanlol 8y ago

>"information for every female voter in 79 of Turkey’s 81 provinces — more than 20 million entries’ worth of addresses and cell-phone numbers". This is a lie spread by serial fabricator Zeynep Tufekci, WL never released or hosted this dump. Wikileaks retweeted a link to this dump. natsecgeek/Emma Best posted this dump by an unknown hacker, WL and thousands of others retweeted it. At the time it wasn’t described as “turkish female voter db” or anything. The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump mentioned in the story. WL never even had the voter data https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoV8zQrUIAA2bPG?format=jpg&name=...

laughinghan 8y ago
Thank you for your detailed response. Can you clarify a few points for me? • You quote some text from my comment and say "This is a lie", but the rest of your statement doesn't appear to contradict anything I wrote, including the part you quoted. Is my understanding correct, that neither the text you quoted nor the rest of my comment are a lie, and in fact are both factually correct? • How many things has "serial fabricator" Zeynep Tefukci fabricated? Can you provide any other examples of things she has fabricated? Are they all about Wikileaks, or does she fabricate things about lots of people and orgs? • To be clear, you're saying that Tefukci did not fabricate that Wikileaks tweeted links to the voter dump, nor did she fabricate the irresponsible and harmful information contained in this dump, right? Did she fabricate anything about this incident, or are you just saying we should expect her to mislead us? • You said "The voter dump had nothing at all to do with the AKP email dump". Zeynep Tefukci claims that Wikileaks tweeted "Here’s the full data for our Turkey AKP emails + more" with a link to the page to download the voter dump: https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063575-CoS7gTvXYAEZmTn.jpg https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-07-27-1469653180-1063... Is that purported tweet a fabrication, and if so what evidence is there that it's a fabrication? (E.g. the original image that was manipulated to fabricate the screenshot of the tweet, or a link to the tweet whose screenshot was manipulated, or a report asserting that her screenshot was a fabrication from a news source more reputable than HuffPo--not an outrageously high bar, I think we can agree.) Or are you saying that though they tweeted that, nonetheless the voter dump mistake should be considered irrelevant to the AKP email dump story?