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The fact that voter ID laws are often made to disenfranchise certain groups isn't racist, it’s just a fact. You’re talking about whether the targets think it su
by mikeash 8y ago
The fact that voter ID laws are often made to disenfranchise certain groups isn't racist, it’s just a fact. You’re talking about whether the targets think it succeeds in doing so, which is a different question, and a pretty irrelevant one. What matters is the intent, and whether it succeeds in that intent.
Common sense tells me that a political video consisting of eleven interviews with people picked off the street in Harlem is very unlikely to be representative of the nation except by accident. I haven’t watched the video and I don’t plan to. I’ve never seen a video link in an online argument that was worth watching and I see no indication that this one is any different.
- daenz 8y ago>You’re talking about whether the targets think it succeeds in doing so No, I'm 100% not. You haven't been paying attention to any of my responses. And you just made it clear that you wish to stay ignorant about the point I'm actually making, so I don't see the point in continuing with someone who will not communicate in good faith.
- mikeash 8y agoYour replies have all been about what these interviewees think about this stuff. It’s quite explicit. You repeatedly refer to “what people think” and such.
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- jakeogh 8y agoWhy do you assume others are going to have trouble getting ID? Do you have trouble getting ID?
- mikeash 8y agoVoter ID laws are often accompanied by measures that make it more difficult for certain people to get ID. For example, it’s common to curtail hours or close DMV offices in urban areas. In any case, that’s not strictly relevant. The intent to suppress voters is there even if it doesn’t work.
- jakeogh 8y agoCommon? When?
- mikeash 8y agoExample: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/10/what-effect-will-shuttering-alabama-dmv-offices-have-on-black-voters/408571/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2015/10/what-effect-will-shut... If you search for “voter ID DMV closure” or “voter ID vote suppression” you’ll find plenty more examples. Another tactic is to tailor the set of acceptable forms of ID to favor certain groups. A court ruled that North Carolina recently did this to target minorities “with almost surgical precision.”
- jakeogh 8y agoThanks. In AZ, when you are issued an ID, it's good until you are 65. We also have provisional ballots. So I looked up AL: https://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/id-cards.php https://www.dmv.org/al-alabama/id-cards.php (and got SEO'd) 4 years. And it's expensive. Bad. Seems like it's a reason for federal innovation at least on the fee and access side. ID's are difficult to copy, I haven't heard an arg to make them expire in such a short window. That said, I would rather fix that problem than not have voter ID, some courts appear to agree it's a problem as you mentioned and have rightly intervened.