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A really intriguing story related to bodybuilding is the story of DatBTrue. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann-peptides.html https://

A really intriguing story related to bodybuilding is the story of DatBTrue. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann-peptides.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/sports/doping-thomas-mann... He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style. It turns out he was a lawyer!

whycombagator 8y ago
> He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style I skimmed the article, but couldn't find examples or mention of his writing style.
- atomical 8y ago
  He ran an internet forum with a cult following. It shutdown because: > Thirteen months ago I was diagnosed with a very serious health issue. The prognosis is poor. That was obviously a lie.
  - whycombagator 8y ago
    I am aware. But back to my initial comment: Where are the examples of his immature writing style that convinced people of his expert knowledge in all things science?
    - atomical 8y ago
      There may be a few ripped pages of his forum floating around. His forum was members only. There won't be anything on archive.org. I was a member of his forum and read his posts from time to time out of curiosity. The compounds he sold through his alias "Tom" were very vanilla, most of which were available from reputable companies like Ceretropic.
robax 8y ago
Tangentially related but, Zyzz was also a hugely popular member of the BB forum. He was known as having one of the most desirable physiques and had a big personality (he frequently posted videos of himself at the club). It was then discovered he was using steroids, which caused some of the community to hate him. He got booked for a reality show, but then died due to an undiagnosed heart defect. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/zyzz https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/zyzz
- whycombagator 8y ago
  You’re confusing bb.com with DatBTrue. Zyzz was not a member of the latter
  - robax 8y ago
    Yeah, I could have worded that better. I know Zyzz was on bb.com only (well, and 4chan).
- jbdubwub 8y ago
  It wasn't discovered he was using steroids this was common knowledge from day 1 not natty bro
thwy9103 8y ago
>He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style I find this hard to believe considering the many years I spent on his forum, and especially in comparison to many of the advice touted by gurus from other hubs. One excerpt: -11th November 2012, 11:57 PM -How a dose of GHRP-2 affects a change in GH - CHARTED OUT "Sometimes people seem to get confused... When you use a GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP two things happen. One the GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP enters the blood stream and slowly disappears from the blood stream. But what it does (by binding to cells in the pituitary) is increase the appearance of GH in the bloodstream. So GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP are involved in a two-step move that modulates the appearance of GH. The two-step dance is nicely graphed out for us in Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Growth Hormone-Releasing Peptide-2: A Phase I Study in Children, Catherine Pihoker, Gregory L. Kearns, Daniel French, And Cyril Y. Bowers, Clin Endocrinol Metab 83: 1168–1172, 1998 https://imgur.com/Rce8byc https://imgur.com/Rce8byc In words, you can see GH peak in the blood stream at 30 minutes. This understanding you are probably familiar with. You can see that the initial drop in GHRP-2 corresponds to the GH rise. This disappearance primarily comes from GHRP-2 being taken up into the pituitary. An analogy would be 100 people on the street, 30 minutes later 70 of them have opened doors to houses on the street and entered. There are still 100 people, but only 30 left on the street with 70 in the houses. At the 30 minute mark GHRP-2 reflects the lesson of this analogy. After 30 minutes there may be more binding opportunities for GHRP-2 in serum and so some may also be taken up but most will be cleared over the next 1.5 hours. What is responsible for GH's disappearance from serum? Well to use the people/street analogy, it too begins to open doors and get off the serum street and bind to cells. This continues to take place over the next hour. So to put this two step into context, both GHRP-2 & GH follow the same pattern. They appear in serum and then disappear because they have found their respective doors. However GHRP-2 steps out on the street 30 minutes earlier then GH which is not awoken until GHRP-2 wakes it up. GH will then bind to receptors from approximately 30 minute post-injection to 90 minutes post injection." This is one small sample. There was a wealth of information lost when the forum was taken down.
- atomical 8y ago
  He was a fraud that put his parents in legal peril with his scam. He claimed "Tom" synthesized the compounds in America when in reality they were sourced from China. He doesn't have the required skill to test these compounds for purity and heavy metals. He put many people at risk for financial gain.

whycombagator 8y ago

> He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style I skimmed the article, but couldn't find examples or mention of his writing style.

atomical 8y ago
He ran an internet forum with a cult following. It shutdown because: > Thirteen months ago I was diagnosed with a very serious health issue. The prognosis is poor. That was obviously a lie.
- whycombagator 8y ago
  I am aware. But back to my initial comment: Where are the examples of his immature writing style that convinced people of his expert knowledge in all things science?
  - atomical 8y ago
    There may be a few ripped pages of his forum floating around. His forum was members only. There won't be anything on archive.org. I was a member of his forum and read his posts from time to time out of curiosity. The compounds he sold through his alias "Tom" were very vanilla, most of which were available from reputable companies like Ceretropic.

robax 8y ago

Tangentially related but, Zyzz was also a hugely popular member of the BB forum. He was known as having one of the most desirable physiques and had a big personality (he frequently posted videos of himself at the club). It was then discovered he was using steroids, which caused some of the community to hate him. He got booked for a reality show, but then died due to an undiagnosed heart defect. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/zyzz https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/zyzz

whycombagator 8y ago
You’re confusing bb.com with DatBTrue. Zyzz was not a member of the latter
- robax 8y ago
  Yeah, I could have worded that better. I know Zyzz was on bb.com only (well, and 4chan).
jbdubwub 8y ago
It wasn't discovered he was using steroids this was common knowledge from day 1 not natty bro

thwy9103 8y ago

>He convinced a lot of people that he was an expert at all things science despite using an incredibly immature writing style I find this hard to believe considering the many years I spent on his forum, and especially in comparison to many of the advice touted by gurus from other hubs. One excerpt: -11th November 2012, 11:57 PM -How a dose of GHRP-2 affects a change in GH - CHARTED OUT "Sometimes people seem to get confused... When you use a GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP two things happen. One the GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP enters the blood stream and slowly disappears from the blood stream. But what it does (by binding to cells in the pituitary) is increase the appearance of GH in the bloodstream. So GHRP or Mod GRF (1-29)/GHRP are involved in a two-step move that modulates the appearance of GH. The two-step dance is nicely graphed out for us in Pharmacokinetics and Pharmacodynamics of Growth Hormone-Releasing Peptide-2: A Phase I Study in Children, Catherine Pihoker, Gregory L. Kearns, Daniel French, And Cyril Y. Bowers, Clin Endocrinol Metab 83: 1168–1172, 1998 https://imgur.com/Rce8byc https://imgur.com/Rce8byc In words, you can see GH peak in the blood stream at 30 minutes. This understanding you are probably familiar with. You can see that the initial drop in GHRP-2 corresponds to the GH rise. This disappearance primarily comes from GHRP-2 being taken up into the pituitary. An analogy would be 100 people on the street, 30 minutes later 70 of them have opened doors to houses on the street and entered. There are still 100 people, but only 30 left on the street with 70 in the houses. At the 30 minute mark GHRP-2 reflects the lesson of this analogy. After 30 minutes there may be more binding opportunities for GHRP-2 in serum and so some may also be taken up but most will be cleared over the next 1.5 hours. What is responsible for GH's disappearance from serum? Well to use the people/street analogy, it too begins to open doors and get off the serum street and bind to cells. This continues to take place over the next hour. So to put this two step into context, both GHRP-2 & GH follow the same pattern. They appear in serum and then disappear because they have found their respective doors. However GHRP-2 steps out on the street 30 minutes earlier then GH which is not awoken until GHRP-2 wakes it up. GH will then bind to receptors from approximately 30 minute post-injection to 90 minutes post injection." This is one small sample. There was a wealth of information lost when the forum was taken down.

atomical 8y ago
He was a fraud that put his parents in legal peril with his scam. He claimed "Tom" synthesized the compounds in America when in reality they were sourced from China. He doesn't have the required skill to test these compounds for purity and heavy metals. He put many people at risk for financial gain.