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I use to go back and forth on Julian, but at this point I think he should be punished, but what that punishment should be I don't know. I think Manning stealing

I use to go back and forth on Julian, but at this point I think he should be punished, but what that punishment should be I don't know. I think Manning stealing the cables was an absolute wrong, and Assange facilitating that shows a level of culpability. He should not be afforded American protection. Crimes were committed, even if they were done with the best intentions, it was still a crime. We all count, or no one counts.

wallace_f 8y ago
This comment reads like it was written by an algorithm.
- sctb 8y ago
  Please don't post like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - viivaux 8y ago
    There is much more objectionable content in the original post.
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    Sorry about that. I wonder how to communicate that more politely. I took a quick look at roughly the last two dozen comments you've made to users regarding guideline infractions. I noticed in every single one that you named a specific rule within your complaint. I also noticed that they all appeared to be actually not just downvoted, but even flagged. By stsrk contrast, this comment here is actually upvoted. As another user pointed out here, the relative objectionable content of this comment is questionable. Yet, I'm actually happy to cooperate. I'd ask in the future that you offer me the same benefit of the doubt and entitlement to know what it is I am being charged with respect to the rules, as you do with every other user. As you might be aware, I've been receiving trolling, bullying and very suspicious, apparent downvote brigaiding by some users here, so I ask you consider my request in good faith as this would be helpful to have no doubts that the mods are not part of any hate, bullying or negativity.
    - sctb 8y ago
      Sorry for the lack of explanation! If you were being literal and straightforward, then the thing to do is not to post off topic but flag the post (or email us to tell us that someone is posting algorithmically). If you meant it as a diss to the poster, then the rule is: > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If it was somewhere in between those two then the rule still applies: we want civil and substantive discussion in which we can learn something.
      - wallace_f 8y ago
        I can assure you it wasn't a put-down to the poster (I personally disagree with this). It was certainly a sincere, albeit admittedly snarky criticism of that particular post (I think this rule against snarkiness is getting a bit sensitive, but I'm happy to cooperate with the rule). While I have your attention, you might want to investigate the bullying and downvote brigaiding I've experienced. I noticed over the last days my posts go down in simultaneous troves. For example, sometimes I would move to a new thread, and see I'd lost 6 karma. Then I'd open up my comments, and every time it was each of my comments that day going down by 1. Then about 5-10 minutes later, they would all each go down by -1 again. I still notice this. I cant make a comment on this site without, at some point, each of my comments ticking down by -1 in perfect synchronizarion, two times. It seems blatantly obvious someone has 2 HN accounts and is stalking my comments.
ehsankia 8y ago
I would like to know what the Mueller report and US intelligence has on him and his involvement with Russian interference is US elections. Assange was pretty active during the 2016 election and I'd like to see what his involvement was.
- betterunix2 8y ago
  I am going to guess that he was an unwitting stooge of the Russians. Assange has been in over his head for a long time -- the "insurance file" fiasco should have been your first clue: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks-accidental-release-of-us-cables-endangers-sources-a-783084.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks...
viivaux 8y ago
I dislike this comment so, so much. > I use to go back and forth on Julian, If there is some reason I should care about your perspective, you've certainly not shown it here. The expression is "used to", btw. > but at this point I think he should be punished. You know a UN panel decided his detention in the Embassy was unlawful right? The guy spent 7 years in a windowless room, separated from his wife, from his child, from his friends, from the sun... > but what that punishment should be I don't know. Why would you even write this then??? > I think Manning stealing the cables was an absolute wrong An absolute wrong huh? That's quite an opinion. Other people see things differently, but you think it's absolute. ????? > and Assange facilitating that shows a level of culpability This really does read like it was written by a 90's chatbot. > He should not be afforded American protection. Mc'scuse me? That's not how the constitution works, or extradition, or any of this. What a horrid thing to say. Are we supposed to read this garbage and absorb it and let it in our brains without comment? I know this is supposed to be a polite forum but is this what passed for an opinion these days? Holy fuck. > Crimes were committed, even if they were done with the best intentions, it was still a crime. For fucks sake. Slavery was legal. Apartheid was legal. You know what was massively illegal? What Manning and Assange exposed. Shit like killing reporters for telling the truth, wars started for profit through lies, and a surveillance operation that beats the shit out of the Gestapo's wettest dreams. > We all count, or no one counts. I honestly can't even.
luxuryballs 8y ago
I’m not convinced publishing is equivalent to stealing. Honestly I think the only people who don’t like this guy are corrupt politicians, or people who wish to give shelter to or benefit from corrupt politicians.

wallace_f 8y ago

This comment reads like it was written by an algorithm.

sctb 8y ago
Please don't post like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- viivaux 8y ago
  There is much more objectionable content in the original post.
- wallace_f 8y ago
  Sorry about that. I wonder how to communicate that more politely. I took a quick look at roughly the last two dozen comments you've made to users regarding guideline infractions. I noticed in every single one that you named a specific rule within your complaint. I also noticed that they all appeared to be actually not just downvoted, but even flagged. By stsrk contrast, this comment here is actually upvoted. As another user pointed out here, the relative objectionable content of this comment is questionable. Yet, I'm actually happy to cooperate. I'd ask in the future that you offer me the same benefit of the doubt and entitlement to know what it is I am being charged with respect to the rules, as you do with every other user. As you might be aware, I've been receiving trolling, bullying and very suspicious, apparent downvote brigaiding by some users here, so I ask you consider my request in good faith as this would be helpful to have no doubts that the mods are not part of any hate, bullying or negativity.
  - sctb 8y ago
    Sorry for the lack of explanation! If you were being literal and straightforward, then the thing to do is not to post off topic but flag the post (or email us to tell us that someone is posting algorithmically). If you meant it as a diss to the poster, then the rule is: > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html If it was somewhere in between those two then the rule still applies: we want civil and substantive discussion in which we can learn something.
    - wallace_f 8y ago
      I can assure you it wasn't a put-down to the poster (I personally disagree with this). It was certainly a sincere, albeit admittedly snarky criticism of that particular post (I think this rule against snarkiness is getting a bit sensitive, but I'm happy to cooperate with the rule). While I have your attention, you might want to investigate the bullying and downvote brigaiding I've experienced. I noticed over the last days my posts go down in simultaneous troves. For example, sometimes I would move to a new thread, and see I'd lost 6 karma. Then I'd open up my comments, and every time it was each of my comments that day going down by 1. Then about 5-10 minutes later, they would all each go down by -1 again. I still notice this. I cant make a comment on this site without, at some point, each of my comments ticking down by -1 in perfect synchronizarion, two times. It seems blatantly obvious someone has 2 HN accounts and is stalking my comments.

ehsankia 8y ago

I would like to know what the Mueller report and US intelligence has on him and his involvement with Russian interference is US elections. Assange was pretty active during the 2016 election and I'd like to see what his involvement was.

betterunix2 8y ago
I am going to guess that he was an unwitting stooge of the Russians. Assange has been in over his head for a long time -- the "insurance file" fiasco should have been your first clue: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks-accidental-release-of-us-cables-endangers-sources-a-783084.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/leak-at-wikileaks...

viivaux 8y ago

I dislike this comment so, so much. > I use to go back and forth on Julian, If there is some reason I should care about your perspective, you've certainly not shown it here. The expression is "used to", btw. > but at this point I think he should be punished. You know a UN panel decided his detention in the Embassy was unlawful right? The guy spent 7 years in a windowless room, separated from his wife, from his child, from his friends, from the sun... > but what that punishment should be I don't know. Why would you even write this then??? > I think Manning stealing the cables was an absolute wrong An absolute wrong huh? That's quite an opinion. Other people see things differently, but you think it's absolute. ????? > and Assange facilitating that shows a level of culpability This really does read like it was written by a 90's chatbot. > He should not be afforded American protection. Mc'scuse me? That's not how the constitution works, or extradition, or any of this. What a horrid thing to say. Are we supposed to read this garbage and absorb it and let it in our brains without comment? I know this is supposed to be a polite forum but is this what passed for an opinion these days? Holy fuck. > Crimes were committed, even if they were done with the best intentions, it was still a crime. For fucks sake. Slavery was legal. Apartheid was legal. You know what was massively illegal? What Manning and Assange exposed. Shit like killing reporters for telling the truth, wars started for profit through lies, and a surveillance operation that beats the shit out of the Gestapo's wettest dreams. > We all count, or no one counts. I honestly can't even.

luxuryballs 8y ago

I’m not convinced publishing is equivalent to stealing. Honestly I think the only people who don’t like this guy are corrupt politicians, or people who wish to give shelter to or benefit from corrupt politicians.