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I envy your perspective. What I see in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture, is very different. This has cha

I envy your perspective. What I see in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture, is very different. This has changed dramatically in the last say 5 years, and I am having trouble understanding how you can argue that in 2019 we can still all make fun of each other freely.

stcredzero 8y ago
I am having trouble understanding how you can argue that in 2019 we can still all make fun of each other freely. This is evidence that you are in a bubble. The world is a big, diverse, complex place.
- zarkov99 8y ago
  Indeed, we probably all live in some sort of bubble, but as far as bubbles go it is a fairly large one, it includes academia, the corporate world, old media, news media, social media, entertainment, education, to name just a few domains. I can still joke around with my high school buddies though, most of them anyway, not Chad, the self righteous prick, so there is that.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    as far as bubbles go it is a fairly large one, it includes academia, the corporate world, old media, news media, social media, entertainment, Actually, you pretty much hit it on the nose! That's the particular extended bubble which effectively controls much of 2019's media and has the economic and political clout to make their (often misguided) will stick. That's a particular bubble which has unusually thick walls, while there's a particularly pressing societal need for its members to see from beyond its own boundaries.
eikenberry 8y ago
What you see in public and what people do in private are very different and always have been. I think the best public equivalent to private behavior is anonymous online behavior, as this lets people use their private persona in public with minimal consequences.
bilbo0s 8y ago
OK man, I see the issue here. You're talking about, "in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture". Whereas I'm talking about how people talk in private social situations. The professional world should be professional, and separate from your private life. (You don't talk to your spouse and kids the way you talk to your coworkers unless something is very, very wrong in one place or the other.) As I've already said, no, you can't go up to your boss and start joking about killing cops, or about "gold digging women like his daughter". But again, who does that? That's just dumb. Yes, in the professional world, guess what? They only want professionals. That's not some off the wall notion that has only arisen "...in the last say 5 years..." It's been that way since forever. So I'm sorry man, I'm just not gonna feel bad for you because you can't denigrate handicapped people, or hispanics, or whatever at work. But I will call you a dummy for doing so, and I'll add that it's unprofessional. But as I said before, at parties or whatever, there is no way you can tell me that people don't joke about those same handicapped people and hispanics. It happens all the time.
- zarkov99 8y ago
  If you truly believe you are safe joking at parties, you must be going to some very exclusive parties. More power to you. I wish you continued luck.
kodz4 8y ago
How does Trump calling all Mexicans - rapists, criminals and drug dealers fit in with your narrative? Was that just locker room talk?

stcredzero 8y ago

I am having trouble understanding how you can argue that in 2019 we can still all make fun of each other freely. This is evidence that you are in a bubble. The world is a big, diverse, complex place.

zarkov99 8y ago
Indeed, we probably all live in some sort of bubble, but as far as bubbles go it is a fairly large one, it includes academia, the corporate world, old media, news media, social media, entertainment, education, to name just a few domains. I can still joke around with my high school buddies though, most of them anyway, not Chad, the self righteous prick, so there is that.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  as far as bubbles go it is a fairly large one, it includes academia, the corporate world, old media, news media, social media, entertainment, Actually, you pretty much hit it on the nose! That's the particular extended bubble which effectively controls much of 2019's media and has the economic and political clout to make their (often misguided) will stick. That's a particular bubble which has unusually thick walls, while there's a particularly pressing societal need for its members to see from beyond its own boundaries.

eikenberry 8y ago

What you see in public and what people do in private are very different and always have been. I think the best public equivalent to private behavior is anonymous online behavior, as this lets people use their private persona in public with minimal consequences.

bilbo0s 8y ago

OK man, I see the issue here. You're talking about, "in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture". Whereas I'm talking about how people talk in private social situations. The professional world should be professional, and separate from your private life. (You don't talk to your spouse and kids the way you talk to your coworkers unless something is very, very wrong in one place or the other.) As I've already said, no, you can't go up to your boss and start joking about killing cops, or about "gold digging women like his daughter". But again, who does that? That's just dumb. Yes, in the professional world, guess what? They only want professionals. That's not some off the wall notion that has only arisen "...in the last say 5 years..." It's been that way since forever. So I'm sorry man, I'm just not gonna feel bad for you because you can't denigrate handicapped people, or hispanics, or whatever at work. But I will call you a dummy for doing so, and I'll add that it's unprofessional. But as I said before, at parties or whatever, there is no way you can tell me that people don't joke about those same handicapped people and hispanics. It happens all the time.

zarkov99 8y ago
If you truly believe you are safe joking at parties, you must be going to some very exclusive parties. More power to you. I wish you continued luck.

kodz4 8y ago

How does Trump calling all Mexicans - rapists, criminals and drug dealers fit in with your narrative? Was that just locker room talk?