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I think this was a really good distinction, because it suggests a course of action. It sounds like you would support a requirement in a consumer contracts that

by lotu 8y ago

I think this was a really good distinction, because it suggests a course of action. It sounds like you would support a requirement in a consumer contracts that a person's contact information may not be used for marking purposes or shared with others to use for marking. This could essentially decimate the direct marketing industry, but that might be the desired outcome. Unfortunately governments don't like to pass laws the decimate any industry no matter how small. I think it is also very valuable because it more clearly defines what you mean by privacy. The privacy violation happens, not when they collect your contact information, or when it is put into a list, it is when it is used to send you advertising which you find unwelcome.

coldpie 8y ago
Right. Phrasing it as "my data" shows that they don't own my information. Instead, I own it, but they have it, and it is their responsibility to take care of it. They are responsible if something happens to my data that I don't want to happen (sold to spammers; leaked by hacking). The best course of action for them is to take as little as possible and then forget the information when it is no longer useful, to minimize their risk. This is exactly what I want to happen.
- wool_gather 8y ago
  Reminds me of the comedy sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E: "They took all the money? That sounds more like a bank robbery." "No, no. If only. 'Cause we could take the hit. No, no. It was actually your identity that was stolen, primarily. It's a massive pisser for you." "But, it's actually money that's been taken..." "Yes" "From you?" "Kind of." "I don't know what you want from me other than my commiserations." "You see it was your identity. They said they were you!" "And you believed them?" "Yes, they stole your identity." "Well, I don't know. I seem to still have my identity, whereas you seem to have lost several thousands of pounds. In light of that, I'm not sure why you think it was my identity that was stolen instead of your money."

by lotu 8y ago

coldpie 8y ago

Right. Phrasing it as "my data" shows that they don't own my information. Instead, I own it, but they have it, and it is their responsibility to take care of it. They are responsible if something happens to my data that I don't want to happen (sold to spammers; leaked by hacking). The best course of action for them is to take as little as possible and then forget the information when it is no longer useful, to minimize their risk. This is exactly what I want to happen.

wool_gather 8y ago
Reminds me of the comedy sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E: "They took all the money? That sounds more like a bank robbery." "No, no. If only. 'Cause we could take the hit. No, no. It was actually your identity that was stolen, primarily. It's a massive pisser for you." "But, it's actually money that's been taken..." "Yes" "From you?" "Kind of." "I don't know what you want from me other than my commiserations." "You see it was your identity. They said they were you!" "And you believed them?" "Yes, they stole your identity." "Well, I don't know. I seem to still have my identity, whereas you seem to have lost several thousands of pounds. In light of that, I'm not sure why you think it was my identity that was stolen instead of your money."