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You should hear what people say about people that were born and raised in the US South. Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on o

You should hear what people say about people that were born and raised in the US South. Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks.

stcredzero 8y ago
Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks. There has been widespread advocacy for this sort of socially acceptable "picking on" in the West and in the United States in recent years. People in the SV/Bay Area tech and creative circles will do this. A few years ago, media people were advocating that we label people "Nazis" and then punch them. I remember people from my youth who used to namecall and label people, then haze them or do violence to them. They would have correctly been called racists and homophobes. In 2019, when people engage in similar behaviors, but for the "other" side, I see this as much worse. The best way to hurt a cause is to advocate for it badly. It doesn't matter the professed beliefs and stated reasons. To me, the actions speak much louder than the words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5fAiXYr08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5fAiXYr08
- SolaceQuantum 8y ago
  Not meaning to disagree but I want to know what are your suggestions regarding how to combat extremist viewpoints that seriously advocate for genocide (what I assume would get one labeled a nazi). Do you have evidence of nonviolent alternatives that work? (Again: I'm not saying that violence is the only answer- I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence.)
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    your suggestions regarding how to combat extremist viewpoints that seriously advocate for genocide Those are pretty simple to advocate against. Murder bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one. Genocide bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one. However, here's how you can actually strengthen the bad side. Start pushing ridiculous narratives. Start calling everyone a Nazi. Say that even the "Ok" sign is a Nazi salute. Advocate for political violence. Basically, abandon the principles and moral framework of liberal democracy, and become just like them. The best way to combat extremist viewpoints is through adherence to principles and a moral framework -- showing that these can make you prosper. This is basically how we won the cold war. (what I assume would get one labeled a nazi) Bad assumption in 2019. In 2019, there are toxic members of the Far Left who will label anyone that for any kind of dissent from their particular views. I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence. If you are in the United States, then the evidence is all around you. It must be understood in the context of world history, however. If you truly abhor violence, then if you are a member of the left, you need to start calling it out on the left. The best way to fight evil, is to be forthright and speak out about it.
fxbl0i 8y ago
"right group", pun intended ;P
whalesalad 8y ago
This has been happening since the dawn of civilization. We're tribal people.
chris_mc 8y ago
Do people from the South (that aren't a part of traditionally discriminated groups) get discriminated against actively because of their birthplace? Does Joe Redneck lose jobs because he was born in Georgia rather than California? What do those Southerners say about people like me living in San Francisco, CA? Not trying to be aggressive, I just want to know why you think the cultural discrimination against white Southerners is equivalent to that against Chinese ethnic groups that are being actively oppressed, or some other group that is being actively oppressed.
- VyseofArcadia 8y ago
  > What do those Southerners say about people like me living in San Francisco, CA? Mostly things like how west coast liberals shouldn't decide policy for the whole country (as though they are.) Also they refer to you with derogatory nicknames for homosexual people. Source: I'm from Alabama.
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    > Also they refer to you with derogatory nicknames for homosexual people. You're making a generalization about people, that is the problem right here.
- x86_64Ubuntu 8y ago
  He's just whining.
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    I'm pointing out how easy it is to pick on other cultures, when if we really stop and try to be reflective of ourselves, can we say this is something we don't do here in the US (and wherever else)? "Oh, those people from place X don't like people from place Y!"
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Do people from the South (that aren't a part of traditionally discriminated groups) get discriminated against actively because of their birthplace? In 2019, it has become fashionable to impute beliefs on another person on scant evidence. Perhaps as little as what someone looks like, or what 'type' they are based on the first impression. Back in the day, we used to call this bigotry. I dream of the day when all Americans will be judged not by [surface signifier] but by the content of their character. EDIT: If you are on the Left, then it is especially incumbent on you to call out your own side. What's more, if you're afraid to speak up, or frequently decide to hold your tongue, start asking yourself why. It's a frequent trope in history: Sociopaths co-opting a cause and the language of movements. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
bilbo0s 8y ago
>Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks... This is the US. Here, it's perfectly acceptable to pick on everyone. From blacks, and handicapped people, to bankers, and frat boys. You can discriminate against whoever you like here. At least in the jokes and social situations. You should hear what they say about blacks, or greedy bankers, or frat boys, or women they call "gold diggers", or jews, or hispanics, or white people, or cops, or etc etc etc. That's the great thing about America, you can say whatever you like.
- zarkov99 8y ago
  Unless you care about your job, your career, your reputation, your personal safety and that of your loved ones. In that case you should make sure you only target approved groups.
  - bilbo0s 8y ago
    There are no "approved grouups". What are you talking about? Are you saying you never hear people talk bad about bankers, or frat boys, or jews, or cops, or blacks, or hispanics, etc etc etc? Because if so, I call BS. I also call BS if you try to tell me that everyone you've heard talk bad about, say, bankers or jews, has been fired from their job. Sure, you go up to your boss and tell your jokes about money grubbing jews, or joke about killing cops, and you're likely to not have a job. But who does that? We all tell jokes in private social situations. This is America, where everyone is discriminated against. That's reality. Mainly because as "whalesalad" said, "we're tribal people." This entire idea that there are "approved groups" is nonsense made up by a bunch of people trying to make us think we can't tell jokes about anybody. When it's plainly obvious that we can, we should, and we do.
    - zarkov99 8y ago
      I envy your perspective. What I see in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture, is very different. This has changed dramatically in the last say 5 years, and I am having trouble understanding how you can argue that in 2019 we can still all make fun of each other freely.
loudmax 8y ago
You should hear what people say about people that were born and raised outside the US. Seems in some places, it's perfectly (legally) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'wrong' group of folks.

stcredzero 8y ago

Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks. There has been widespread advocacy for this sort of socially acceptable "picking on" in the West and in the United States in recent years. People in the SV/Bay Area tech and creative circles will do this. A few years ago, media people were advocating that we label people "Nazis" and then punch them. I remember people from my youth who used to namecall and label people, then haze them or do violence to them. They would have correctly been called racists and homophobes. In 2019, when people engage in similar behaviors, but for the "other" side, I see this as much worse. The best way to hurt a cause is to advocate for it badly. It doesn't matter the professed beliefs and stated reasons. To me, the actions speak much louder than the words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5fAiXYr08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf5fAiXYr08

SolaceQuantum 8y ago
Not meaning to disagree but I want to know what are your suggestions regarding how to combat extremist viewpoints that seriously advocate for genocide (what I assume would get one labeled a nazi). Do you have evidence of nonviolent alternatives that work? (Again: I'm not saying that violence is the only answer- I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence.)
- stcredzero 8y ago
  your suggestions regarding how to combat extremist viewpoints that seriously advocate for genocide Those are pretty simple to advocate against. Murder bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one. Genocide bad. Who disagrees with that? Basically no one. However, here's how you can actually strengthen the bad side. Start pushing ridiculous narratives. Start calling everyone a Nazi. Say that even the "Ok" sign is a Nazi salute. Advocate for political violence. Basically, abandon the principles and moral framework of liberal democracy, and become just like them. The best way to combat extremist viewpoints is through adherence to principles and a moral framework -- showing that these can make you prosper. This is basically how we won the cold war. (what I assume would get one labeled a nazi) Bad assumption in 2019. In 2019, there are toxic members of the Far Left who will label anyone that for any kind of dissent from their particular views. I genuinely am seeking evidence otherwise as I abhor violence. If you are in the United States, then the evidence is all around you. It must be understood in the context of world history, however. If you truly abhor violence, then if you are a member of the left, you need to start calling it out on the left. The best way to fight evil, is to be forthright and speak out about it.

fxbl0i 8y ago

"right group", pun intended ;P

whalesalad 8y ago

This has been happening since the dawn of civilization. We're tribal people.

chris_mc 8y ago

Do people from the South (that aren't a part of traditionally discriminated groups) get discriminated against actively because of their birthplace? Does Joe Redneck lose jobs because he was born in Georgia rather than California? What do those Southerners say about people like me living in San Francisco, CA? Not trying to be aggressive, I just want to know why you think the cultural discrimination against white Southerners is equivalent to that against Chinese ethnic groups that are being actively oppressed, or some other group that is being actively oppressed.

VyseofArcadia 8y ago
> What do those Southerners say about people like me living in San Francisco, CA? Mostly things like how west coast liberals shouldn't decide policy for the whole country (as though they are.) Also they refer to you with derogatory nicknames for homosexual people. Source: I'm from Alabama.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  > Also they refer to you with derogatory nicknames for homosexual people. You're making a generalization about people, that is the problem right here.
x86_64Ubuntu 8y ago
He's just whining.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  I'm pointing out how easy it is to pick on other cultures, when if we really stop and try to be reflective of ourselves, can we say this is something we don't do here in the US (and wherever else)? "Oh, those people from place X don't like people from place Y!"
stcredzero 8y ago
Do people from the South (that aren't a part of traditionally discriminated groups) get discriminated against actively because of their birthplace? In 2019, it has become fashionable to impute beliefs on another person on scant evidence. Perhaps as little as what someone looks like, or what 'type' they are based on the first impression. Back in the day, we used to call this bigotry. I dream of the day when all Americans will be judged not by [surface signifier] but by the content of their character. EDIT: If you are on the Left, then it is especially incumbent on you to call out your own side. What's more, if you're afraid to speak up, or frequently decide to hold your tongue, start asking yourself why. It's a frequent trope in history: Sociopaths co-opting a cause and the language of movements. https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths

bilbo0s 8y ago

>Seems in some places, it's perfectly (socially) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'right' group of folks... This is the US. Here, it's perfectly acceptable to pick on everyone. From blacks, and handicapped people, to bankers, and frat boys. You can discriminate against whoever you like here. At least in the jokes and social situations. You should hear what they say about blacks, or greedy bankers, or frat boys, or women they call "gold diggers", or jews, or hispanics, or white people, or cops, or etc etc etc. That's the great thing about America, you can say whatever you like.

zarkov99 8y ago
Unless you care about your job, your career, your reputation, your personal safety and that of your loved ones. In that case you should make sure you only target approved groups.
- bilbo0s 8y ago
  There are no "approved grouups". What are you talking about? Are you saying you never hear people talk bad about bankers, or frat boys, or jews, or cops, or blacks, or hispanics, etc etc etc? Because if so, I call BS. I also call BS if you try to tell me that everyone you've heard talk bad about, say, bankers or jews, has been fired from their job. Sure, you go up to your boss and tell your jokes about money grubbing jews, or joke about killing cops, and you're likely to not have a job. But who does that? We all tell jokes in private social situations. This is America, where everyone is discriminated against. That's reality. Mainly because as "whalesalad" said, "we're tribal people." This entire idea that there are "approved groups" is nonsense made up by a bunch of people trying to make us think we can't tell jokes about anybody. When it's plainly obvious that we can, we should, and we do.
  - zarkov99 8y ago
    I envy your perspective. What I see in the news, in academia, in the movie industry, in hiring, basically in the public culture, is very different. This has changed dramatically in the last say 5 years, and I am having trouble understanding how you can argue that in 2019 we can still all make fun of each other freely.

loudmax 8y ago

You should hear what people say about people that were born and raised outside the US. Seems in some places, it's perfectly (legally) acceptable to pick on others, as long as you're picking on the 'wrong' group of folks.