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I'd argue it is unreasonable given that (afaik) no one is marketing a self-driving car that doesn't also require a driver be attentive at all times. You can le

I'd argue it is unreasonable given that (afaik) no one is marketing a self-driving car that doesn't also require a driver be attentive at all times. You can learn to drive a self-driving car defensively, in the same way you learn to drive a normal car defensively. Pay attention to your surroundings, blind spots, and other cars. Maybe self-driving is a poor term to use.

simion314 8y ago
>You can learn to drive a self-driving car defensively, Then it is not a self driving car, maybe let's named them human supervised self running cars
- cblades 8y ago
  Exactly, that was my point. There are no self-driving cars on the market, or in development by major car manufacturers. They all explicitly require human attention.
fwip 8y ago
It's especially bad because us humans supervising the cars are going to be worried about preventing human-style accidents. Maybe you're worried about it following too close or not noticing the red light - so you don't notice the warning signs in time when it veers into the concrete barrier.
fucking_tragedy 8y ago
> (afaik) no one is marketing a self-driving car that doesn't also require a driver be attentive at all times. Tesla's marketing videos for Autopilot have a caption along the lines of "driver is only present for legal reasons".
- cblades 7y ago
  Wow, that's downright irresponsible.
romwell 8y ago
>You can learn to drive a self-driving car defensively My point was that you can't learn to drive a normal car defensively if there are self-driving cars on the road (in their current form). When a self-driving car decides to do something stupid, you won't see it coming because the decision tree is literally beyond human comprehension. See: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181204-why-we-should-worry-when-machines-hallucinate http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181204-why-we-should-worry... And Uber's and Tesla's accidents have shown us that you can't rely on the human in the car to catch it before it does something stupid. After all, teaching someone how to drive and watching them attentively is difficult work.

simion314 8y ago

>You can learn to drive a self-driving car defensively, Then it is not a self driving car, maybe let's named them human supervised self running cars

cblades 8y ago
Exactly, that was my point. There are no self-driving cars on the market, or in development by major car manufacturers. They all explicitly require human attention.

fwip 8y ago

It's especially bad because us humans supervising the cars are going to be worried about preventing human-style accidents. Maybe you're worried about it following too close or not noticing the red light - so you don't notice the warning signs in time when it veers into the concrete barrier.

fucking_tragedy 8y ago

> (afaik) no one is marketing a self-driving car that doesn't also require a driver be attentive at all times. Tesla's marketing videos for Autopilot have a caption along the lines of "driver is only present for legal reasons".

cblades 7y ago
Wow, that's downright irresponsible.

romwell 8y ago

>You can learn to drive a self-driving car defensively My point was that you can't learn to drive a normal car defensively if there are self-driving cars on the road (in their current form). When a self-driving car decides to do something stupid, you won't see it coming because the decision tree is literally beyond human comprehension. See: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181204-why-we-should-worry-when-machines-hallucinate http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20181204-why-we-should-worry... And Uber's and Tesla's accidents have shown us that you can't rely on the human in the car to catch it before it does something stupid. After all, teaching someone how to drive and watching them attentively is difficult work.