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Your info is your info. The data they collected about you is their data. Now if only we could oprevent them from sharing/selling their data which contains your

by jrace 8y ago

Your info is your info. The data they collected about you is their data. Now if only we could oprevent them from sharing/selling their data which contains your info. I realize that in my argument I am being rather pedantic...but in online text based exchange it is what separates us from the barbarians.

coldpie 8y ago
> The data they collected about you is their data. That's my point. I don't think it should be. They can have access to my data to conduct our business transaction, but I disagree with the idea that my information somehow belongs to them just because they had access to it at some point.
- lotu 8y ago
  I think this was a really good distinction, because it suggests a course of action. It sounds like you would support a requirement in a consumer contracts that a person's contact information may not be used for marking purposes or shared with others to use for marking. This could essentially decimate the direct marketing industry, but that might be the desired outcome. Unfortunately governments don't like to pass laws the decimate any industry no matter how small. I think it is also very valuable because it more clearly defines what you mean by privacy. The privacy violation happens, not when they collect your contact information, or when it is put into a list, it is when it is used to send you advertising which you find unwelcome.
  - coldpie 8y ago
    Right. Phrasing it as "my data" shows that they don't own my information. Instead, I own it, but they have it, and it is their responsibility to take care of it. They are responsible if something happens to my data that I don't want to happen (sold to spammers; leaked by hacking). The best course of action for them is to take as little as possible and then forget the information when it is no longer useful, to minimize their risk. This is exactly what I want to happen.
    - wool_gather 8y ago
      Reminds me of the comedy sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E: "They took all the money? That sounds more like a bank robbery." "No, no. If only. 'Cause we could take the hit. No, no. It was actually your identity that was stolen, primarily. It's a massive pisser for you." "But, it's actually money that's been taken..." "Yes" "From you?" "Kind of." "I don't know what you want from me other than my commiserations." "You see it was your identity. They said they were you!" "And you believed them?" "Yes, they stole your identity." "Well, I don't know. I seem to still have my identity, whereas you seem to have lost several thousands of pounds. In light of that, I'm not sure why you think it was my identity that was stolen instead of your money."
- jrace 8y ago
  The issues then becomes how they collected data from you. So how do we stop that? And better yet, how to we prevent those who have collected data about us from using it ways we do not consent to. I too do do not want my personal info being used by anyone I do not explicitly grant access to.
boomlinde 8y ago
> The data they collected about you is their data. It is your data in the sense that it is data concerning you.
- sroussey 8y ago
  According to GDPR, your data is yours. Even if captured and stored by an enterprise. Soon California too.
AlexandrB 8y ago
> The data they collected about you is their data. 9 times out of 10 they’ve collected that data without my informed consent and using my computer hardware - which I did not consent to be used for that purpose. It’s computer fraud of some kind, but IANAL. Edit: If I flip your argument on it’s head, doesn’t torrenting something make the torrented copy of the media “mine” since “I’ve collected it”? Yet we usually call that a copyright violation and illegal.

by jrace 8y ago

coldpie 8y ago

> The data they collected about you is their data. That's my point. I don't think it should be. They can have access to my data to conduct our business transaction, but I disagree with the idea that my information somehow belongs to them just because they had access to it at some point.

lotu 8y ago
I think this was a really good distinction, because it suggests a course of action. It sounds like you would support a requirement in a consumer contracts that a person's contact information may not be used for marking purposes or shared with others to use for marking. This could essentially decimate the direct marketing industry, but that might be the desired outcome. Unfortunately governments don't like to pass laws the decimate any industry no matter how small. I think it is also very valuable because it more clearly defines what you mean by privacy. The privacy violation happens, not when they collect your contact information, or when it is put into a list, it is when it is used to send you advertising which you find unwelcome.
- coldpie 8y ago
  Right. Phrasing it as "my data" shows that they don't own my information. Instead, I own it, but they have it, and it is their responsibility to take care of it. They are responsible if something happens to my data that I don't want to happen (sold to spammers; leaked by hacking). The best course of action for them is to take as little as possible and then forget the information when it is no longer useful, to minimize their risk. This is exactly what I want to happen.
  - wool_gather 8y ago
    Reminds me of the comedy sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9ptA3Ya9E: "They took all the money? That sounds more like a bank robbery." "No, no. If only. 'Cause we could take the hit. No, no. It was actually your identity that was stolen, primarily. It's a massive pisser for you." "But, it's actually money that's been taken..." "Yes" "From you?" "Kind of." "I don't know what you want from me other than my commiserations." "You see it was your identity. They said they were you!" "And you believed them?" "Yes, they stole your identity." "Well, I don't know. I seem to still have my identity, whereas you seem to have lost several thousands of pounds. In light of that, I'm not sure why you think it was my identity that was stolen instead of your money."
jrace 8y ago
The issues then becomes how they collected data from you. So how do we stop that? And better yet, how to we prevent those who have collected data about us from using it ways we do not consent to. I too do do not want my personal info being used by anyone I do not explicitly grant access to.

boomlinde 8y ago

> The data they collected about you is their data. It is your data in the sense that it is data concerning you.

sroussey 8y ago
According to GDPR, your data is yours. Even if captured and stored by an enterprise. Soon California too.

AlexandrB 8y ago

> The data they collected about you is their data. 9 times out of 10 they’ve collected that data without my informed consent and using my computer hardware - which I did not consent to be used for that purpose. It’s computer fraud of some kind, but IANAL. Edit: If I flip your argument on it’s head, doesn’t torrenting something make the torrented copy of the media “mine” since “I’ve collected it”? Yet we usually call that a copyright violation and illegal.