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Even if Russia leaked the emails (not certain as the media would have you believe at all, not saying it’s conspiracy but It’s not conclusive), the information r

by lowpro 7y ago

Even if Russia leaked the emails (not certain as the media would have you believe at all, not saying it’s conspiracy but It’s not conclusive), the information regarding massive corruption in the DNC was true, and that information being public is 1) good and 2) important.

magnamerc 7y ago
Isn't it confirmed that the Russians hacked the DNC e-mails on the day that Trump famously said: 'Russia, if you're listening...". Wasn't that in the indictment for the 12 members of the GRU?
- creaghpatr 7y ago
  No, it's not, nor is it related.
  - akhilcacharya 7y ago
    It is related, if only possibly by coincidence https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/russians-hillary-clinton-email-server-trump-indictment https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/russians-hil...
    - creaghpatr 7y ago
      It's not, the Mueller investigation debunked that as a conspiracy theory.
      - kadendogthing 7y ago
        You've seen the Mueller report?
      - ilikehurdles 7y ago
        Where/when?
      - deepakhj 7y ago
        When did you get a copy of the report?
  - magnamerc 7y ago
    I never said it was related. It's just confirmed that the hacks happened on that day. It's in the indictments.
- tenpies 7y ago
  I still cannot believe that rational people believe that Trump said that literally. Even if you weren't watching and only got the media-spun version of events, the idea that the FSB is going to be watching live TV waiting for a literal order from a US candidate strikes me as so comically outlandish. Email? Nope, it might go to the spam folder. Phone call? What of the time zone difference? Blinking morse code? Too obvious! Secret gesture? The FSB may miss it! Literally giving out the order on international TV during debates? Sounds like a plan!
  - magnamerc 7y ago
    I never once implied that the GRU hacked the e-mails because Trump said this. All I said was that in the indictments, it was confirmed that the e-mail hack happened on that day. It could be a coincidence, I have no idea.
betterunix2 7y ago
Wikileaks coordinated the release of the DNC emails with the Trump campaign. Is that also "good" and "important?"
- jpxw 7y ago
  If it revealed the truth, then yes.
  - hannasanarion 7y ago
    But that is revealed to be the truth. We know that Trump had information about the upcoming releases by way of Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi (who claims he successfully predicted the releases by revelation from God [1]). We also know that the release was politically motivated, because it was the only time ever that Wikileaks has drip-fed a release over the course of a month, and it just so happened to be the 30 days prior to the 2016 election, and each release came with the promise that juicier and more scandalous things were coming later (which, btw, never came: the emails were totally benign). If that isn't politically motivated, what is? 1. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117777/jerome-corsi-wikileaks-mueller-divine-intervention-msnbc https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117777/...
akhilcacharya 7y ago
This isn’t just the media saying it, it’s the entire crux of the Mueller investigation and their indictment of the GRU agents that attacked Americans. It’s international Watergate.
peteradio 7y ago
massive corruption hah
kmlx 7y ago
what "massive corruption" are you referring to?
- Synaesthesia 7y ago
  The DNC clearly favoring Clinton in an undemocratic fashion, as shown by the emails involving Debbie Wasserman Schultz
  - zzzeek 7y ago
    "massive corruption" would be things like sharing campaign data with Russian agents and promising them access to the President. Some grumbly emails that they didn't like Bernie, who is not even a Democrat, is strictly embarrassing and incompetent, and nothing more.
    - Synaesthesia 7y ago
      I think undermining the most popular candidate for Hillary is quite corrupt and important, it’s got a bearing on who will be president!
  - fwip 7y ago
    I don't like Hillary, but surely it's within the rights of a political party to select candidates however they please?
    - dijit 7y ago
      Isn't it a _bit_ disingenuous to call yourself a "democratic" party and then attempt to subvert (and eventually throw out) your democratic process for selecting a candidate? Also I found it quite funny how the emails clearly show that Clinton ordered the media to focus on certain people from the Republican side as "credible" leaders and they included (but were not limited to): Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.
      - komali2 7y ago

by lowpro 7y ago

magnamerc 7y ago

Isn't it confirmed that the Russians hacked the DNC e-mails on the day that Trump famously said: 'Russia, if you're listening...". Wasn't that in the indictment for the 12 members of the GRU?

creaghpatr 7y ago
No, it's not, nor is it related.
- akhilcacharya 7y ago
  It is related, if only possibly by coincidence https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/russians-hillary-clinton-email-server-trump-indictment https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/13/russians-hil...
  - creaghpatr 7y ago
    It's not, the Mueller investigation debunked that as a conspiracy theory.
    - kadendogthing 7y ago
      You've seen the Mueller report?
    - ilikehurdles 7y ago
      Where/when?
    - deepakhj 7y ago
      When did you get a copy of the report?
- magnamerc 7y ago
  I never said it was related. It's just confirmed that the hacks happened on that day. It's in the indictments.
tenpies 7y ago
I still cannot believe that rational people believe that Trump said that literally. Even if you weren't watching and only got the media-spun version of events, the idea that the FSB is going to be watching live TV waiting for a literal order from a US candidate strikes me as so comically outlandish. Email? Nope, it might go to the spam folder. Phone call? What of the time zone difference? Blinking morse code? Too obvious! Secret gesture? The FSB may miss it! Literally giving out the order on international TV during debates? Sounds like a plan!
- magnamerc 7y ago
  I never once implied that the GRU hacked the e-mails because Trump said this. All I said was that in the indictments, it was confirmed that the e-mail hack happened on that day. It could be a coincidence, I have no idea.

betterunix2 7y ago

Wikileaks coordinated the release of the DNC emails with the Trump campaign. Is that also "good" and "important?"

jpxw 7y ago
If it revealed the truth, then yes.
- hannasanarion 7y ago
  But that is revealed to be the truth. We know that Trump had information about the upcoming releases by way of Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi (who claims he successfully predicted the releases by revelation from God [1]). We also know that the release was politically motivated, because it was the only time ever that Wikileaks has drip-fed a release over the course of a month, and it just so happened to be the 30 days prior to the 2016 election, and each release came with the promise that juicier and more scandalous things were coming later (which, btw, never came: the emails were totally benign). If that isn't politically motivated, what is? 1. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117777/jerome-corsi-wikileaks-mueller-divine-intervention-msnbc https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/29/18117777/...

akhilcacharya 7y ago

This isn’t just the media saying it, it’s the entire crux of the Mueller investigation and their indictment of the GRU agents that attacked Americans. It’s international Watergate.

peteradio 7y ago

massive corruption hah

kmlx 7y ago

what "massive corruption" are you referring to?

Synaesthesia 7y ago
The DNC clearly favoring Clinton in an undemocratic fashion, as shown by the emails involving Debbie Wasserman Schultz
- zzzeek 7y ago
  "massive corruption" would be things like sharing campaign data with Russian agents and promising them access to the President. Some grumbly emails that they didn't like Bernie, who is not even a Democrat, is strictly embarrassing and incompetent, and nothing more.
  - Synaesthesia 7y ago
    I think undermining the most popular candidate for Hillary is quite corrupt and important, it’s got a bearing on who will be president!
- fwip 7y ago
  I don't like Hillary, but surely it's within the rights of a political party to select candidates however they please?
  - dijit 7y ago
    Isn't it a _bit_ disingenuous to call yourself a "democratic" party and then attempt to subvert (and eventually throw out) your democratic process for selecting a candidate? Also I found it quite funny how the emails clearly show that Clinton ordered the media to focus on certain people from the Republican side as "credible" leaders and they included (but were not limited to): Ted Cruz and Donald Trump.
    - komali2 7y ago