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Do you guys remember when the airplane of president Morales, was forced down in Vienna when he was on a flight home? Breaking diplomatic immunity, hospitality e
by antocv 8y ago
Do you guys remember when the airplane of president Morales, was forced down in Vienna when he was on a flight home? Breaking diplomatic immunity, hospitality etc.
Just because CIA believed Assange was in that flight, that Morales would help him escape.
EDIT: My mistake, that was for Snowden, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident
- isostatic 8y agoIt was Snowden, and it was a terrible situation. The fact it landed in Vienna is even more ironic. Just another example of the US bullying other countries, and Americans get all pissy with the GDPR.
- downandout 8y agoThere is a big difference between preventing a single plane from landing at its preferred destination, and attempting to dictate how businesses worldwide must operate.
- isostatic 8y agoLike the DMCA?
- mcv 8y agoYeah, I remember. A disgrace on several levels. I really wish a European country would have had the spine to give Snowden asylum. Not the same issue as Assange of course, unless, as Assange claims, this too is the long arm of the US secretly trying to get whistleblowers extradited. I'm not sure that's the case here, though; I think the Swedish rape allegations have merit, and unlike Snowden, I don't think Assange has broken any US laws for which he can be extradited; he's just doing journalist work. Sloppily and with grandstanding megalomania, perhaps, but that's not illegal and thus no basis for extradition.
- isostatic 8y ago> I think the Swedish rape allegations have merit I'm no expert in Swedish law, I trust their legal system, and the legal system in the UK to respond to the demands of the EAW > and unlike Snowden, I don't think Assange has broken any US laws for which he can be extradited; If he could, the U.S. could have just as easily extradited him from the UK
- vincnetas 8y agoIf i recall correctly Assange's troubles with US started after this leak "Collateral murder" : https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org
- sasasassy 8y agoThe Swedish rape allegations were an obvious sham and have already been dropped years ago. Usually when this happens the case is just dropped, yet the UK really pressed in arresting Assange for "failing to appear in court", which is most countries is a minor thing (the accused is not punished for lying in court or missing court dates). I think it's obvious that any excuse will do for extraditing him to the US, to make an example of him. But so much time has passed and the case is so public now that I at least hope the UK will save face and free him instead of extraditing him.
- Scarblac 8y agoIt's extra interesting now because the US is now led by a government that is alleged to have illegal foreign help during the election campaign, notably through Wikileaks. I don't think the current president would want Assange extradited.
- 2muchcoffeeman 8y agoWeren’t the rape allegations dropped because the statute of limitations finally expired? Sorry if I didn’t use the right terminology.
- dagw 8y ago
- overkalix 8y agoThey believed Snowden was on-board, and to make the plane go to Wien, the Portuguese, Spanish, French and Italian governments were pressured to deny Morales right of passage and pressured him to allow the plane to be searched. The governments of half of Europe fold like a cheap suit to the interests of the US intelligence services.
- peteretep 8y ago> The governments of half of Europe fold like a cheap suit to the interests of the US intelligence services The governments of most of Western Europe have geopolitical interests strongly allied to the US. > Portuguese, Spanish, French and Italian So, all members of SIGINT Seniors Europe except Portugal.
- overkalix 8y agoIs it in the interests of European governments for the US government to spy on European governments and citizens? Cool-cool-cool.
- peteretep 8y agoI mean, I don't want to go all _Tu quoque_ here, but if you think that's a one-way street then I think you're being a little naive. Examples (in English) from two German news sources: https://www.dw.com/en/austria-angry-at-germany-over-enormous-spy-effort/a-44257734 https://www.dw.com/en/austria-angry-at-germany-over-enormous... https://www.thelocal.de/20170622/germany-spied-on-the-white-house https://www.thelocal.de/20170622/germany-spied-on-the-white-...
- coldtea 8y agoYeah, just one is a superpower, with the budget for this of 10 western states combined, and the others are not. Also one side has bases in all of the others, the others do not have their bases at that side, and so on...
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- NotPaidToPost 8y agoThe bigger guns always win. They can talk about the UN and international law all they want but in the end people notice the gun on your belt, not the paper on the table. It's been that way since the dawn of times. They can do that to Bolivia but just try to force Air Force One to land...
- matt4077 8y agoUS and UK military power has always dwarfed Ecuador's. For seven years, Assange was protected by nothing but paper, so it does seem to have some heft. I guess Assange obnoxiousness is more powerful than a US carrier group. The former finally got it done when the latter couldn't.
- NotPaidToPost 8y agoThe UK wasn't going to launch an assault on a foreign embassy in the middle of London, was it? Power is not the same as recklessness. Now, a covert operation in a third country when there are no cameras around, on the other hands...
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago> EDIT: My mistake, that was for Snowden it might as well have been Assange in 2019. Nothing changed. Moreno is a Goldman Sachs puppet.
- codedokode 8y agoHe should not have agreed to forced landing and plane search. That was a weak move.