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There is SERIOUS money to be made in the beauty market. I do not succumb, but the majority of my girlfriends purchase a large variety of face products at the co

There is SERIOUS money to be made in the beauty market. I do not succumb, but the majority of my girlfriends purchase a large variety of face products at the cost of hundreds per year. Many of the products are unscientific (and fortunately don't do any harm) but abound with rejuvenation property claims. A product that might actually work? Wow.

shlant 8y ago
> "Many of the products are unscientific (and fortunately don't do any harm) but abound with rejuvenation property claims." For example: it's amazing to me how many facial products such as face masks contain collagen. Do people think that your body just takes collagen from your epidermis and adds it to your skin?
- PedroBatista 8y ago
  Most people don’t think that much. They see the ad, see the brand and maybe check validation with their girlfriends.
  - shlant 8y ago
    sure, but it's not just skin products. The Paleo/Keto/Bulletproof movement is gung-ho on the supposed miracle that is bone broth. From claims that collagen in the diet equals collagen in the body to unique/magical properties of whatever they think it contains are rampant. Drinks, protein powders, supplements - it's everywhere. Just like eating a lot of protein doesn't make you ripped, I would think more people would understand that even though the saying is "you are what you eat", it's not LITERAL.
    - circlefavshape 8y ago
      It is literal. Everything you are made out of is something you have eaten That doesn't mean that eating muscles makes you muscular though obvs (any more than eating mussels makes you mussel-ar)
      - shlant 8y ago
        > "That doesn't mean that eating muscles makes you muscular though obvs (any more than eating mussels makes you mussel-ar)" Yea that's what I meant by literal, as in you aren't a pig if you eat pigs, you aren't muscular if you eat muscle. You are made up of the building blocks of the thing you ate, but that does not make you the thing itself. Maybe literal wasn't the right word? Anyways, doesn't really matter.
    - bavell 8y ago
      Eating a lot of protein is definitely necessary but not sufficient to get ripped. You absolutely are what you eat - literally (though it's true not everything is digested and absorbed).
    - CuriouslyC 8y ago
      These aren't good analogies to make. Hydroxyproline is conditionally essential, particularly in older and injured populations, and collagen is a rich source of it. Research has demonstrated that collagen supplementation reduces arthritis symptoms and increases collagen synthesis. That being said, unless you're getting 15+g of collagen (the amount used in one study I recall) in your bone broth it probably isn't doing much. Protein up to a point improves protein synthesis, and it also has the nice side effect that it is inefficiently stored as fat, both from a thermodynamic and hormonal standpoint. So a random high protein diet is more likely to get someone "ripped" than a random low protein diet.
      - shlant 8y ago
        Hydroxyproline is found in collagen but your body can synthesize Hydroxyproline so it's not like collagen is the only way to get what you need which is how people/products make it sound. Any known benefits from taking in glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline in the form of collagen are very specific to a small portion of the population (such as OCD sufferers) and, as you mentioned, only in very large doses. There are certainly ways to improve your skin/connective tissue without buying into what is mostly a marketing gimmick.
- RHSeeger 8y ago
  But, it's go bee sting oil! Of course it's good for you. The number of these commercials that claim something is good for you because it has some random, natural oil in it, is staggering. There's plenty of natural acids that will melt you into a pile of goo. i wouldn't want to put those on my face.
- wavepruner 8y ago
  If the collagen is hydrolyzed into individual amino acids, then yes, it is absorbed by the skin and used by molecular enzymes to assemble collagen. This assumes the enzymes are functioning correctly and have the capacity to synthesize more collagen. These mechanisms are well understood and elucidated in good biochemistry and nutrition textbooks.
random_kris 8y ago
majority of your girlfriends? so you are the alpha male everyone is talking about, talking our woman
- telesilla 8y ago
  I'm a woman. May I ask you try a thought-experiment? Imagine that 50% of the comments here are made by women - that's pretty much how I prefer to interact with the internet.
  - izzydata 8y ago
    I'm pretty confident that poster is aware of that possibility and intentionally making a joke. Imagine that 50% if not more of the comments made on the internet are not to be taken seriously.
  - Chris_Chambers 8y ago
    No offense but around here you should always be prepared to prove you are a real woman and not trans. The fact that you pretend not to realize how common it is for “women” in tech to be mentally ill men wearing makeup suggests you are one such person.
  - veryworried 8y ago
    I’m sorry, I support a thought experiment but 50% is not a realistic heuristic at all. I’d be surprised if even 10% of comments here were from women. Don’t shoot the messenger that’s just been my experience when it comes to tech forums.
    - telesilla 8y ago
      That was my point, my apologies for not clarifying: even though I know this site is heavily male-dominated I read each comment from a lens of gender-ambiguity. I do this to preserve my sanity. We also don't know how many here are gay, bi-, gender-fluid, non-cis.. It makes me happy to imagine there is a greater number out there who are not making themselves known because honestly, it's exasperating knowing that I am embedded in a system where a minority has the power to create the technology that powers our diverse world.
lawlessone 8y ago
Retinol has very strong and noticeable affects actually. I use it for acne.
Cthulhu_ 8y ago
There is serious money BEING made; I did a quick google, it's a half a trillion dollar worldwide industry.
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sizzle 8y ago
A few hundred a year? I know people that spend that in a month, or on the whim for high end products. Beauty is series business.

shlant 8y ago

> "Many of the products are unscientific (and fortunately don't do any harm) but abound with rejuvenation property claims." For example: it's amazing to me how many facial products such as face masks contain collagen. Do people think that your body just takes collagen from your epidermis and adds it to your skin?

PedroBatista 8y ago
Most people don’t think that much. They see the ad, see the brand and maybe check validation with their girlfriends.
- shlant 8y ago
  sure, but it's not just skin products. The Paleo/Keto/Bulletproof movement is gung-ho on the supposed miracle that is bone broth. From claims that collagen in the diet equals collagen in the body to unique/magical properties of whatever they think it contains are rampant. Drinks, protein powders, supplements - it's everywhere. Just like eating a lot of protein doesn't make you ripped, I would think more people would understand that even though the saying is "you are what you eat", it's not LITERAL.
  - circlefavshape 8y ago
    It is literal. Everything you are made out of is something you have eaten That doesn't mean that eating muscles makes you muscular though obvs (any more than eating mussels makes you mussel-ar)
    - shlant 8y ago
      > "That doesn't mean that eating muscles makes you muscular though obvs (any more than eating mussels makes you mussel-ar)" Yea that's what I meant by literal, as in you aren't a pig if you eat pigs, you aren't muscular if you eat muscle. You are made up of the building blocks of the thing you ate, but that does not make you the thing itself. Maybe literal wasn't the right word? Anyways, doesn't really matter.
  - bavell 8y ago
    Eating a lot of protein is definitely necessary but not sufficient to get ripped. You absolutely are what you eat - literally (though it's true not everything is digested and absorbed).
  - CuriouslyC 8y ago
    These aren't good analogies to make. Hydroxyproline is conditionally essential, particularly in older and injured populations, and collagen is a rich source of it. Research has demonstrated that collagen supplementation reduces arthritis symptoms and increases collagen synthesis. That being said, unless you're getting 15+g of collagen (the amount used in one study I recall) in your bone broth it probably isn't doing much. Protein up to a point improves protein synthesis, and it also has the nice side effect that it is inefficiently stored as fat, both from a thermodynamic and hormonal standpoint. So a random high protein diet is more likely to get someone "ripped" than a random low protein diet.
    - shlant 8y ago
      Hydroxyproline is found in collagen but your body can synthesize Hydroxyproline so it's not like collagen is the only way to get what you need which is how people/products make it sound. Any known benefits from taking in glycine, proline, and hydroxyproline in the form of collagen are very specific to a small portion of the population (such as OCD sufferers) and, as you mentioned, only in very large doses. There are certainly ways to improve your skin/connective tissue without buying into what is mostly a marketing gimmick.
RHSeeger 8y ago
But, it's go bee sting oil! Of course it's good for you. The number of these commercials that claim something is good for you because it has some random, natural oil in it, is staggering. There's plenty of natural acids that will melt you into a pile of goo. i wouldn't want to put those on my face.
wavepruner 8y ago
If the collagen is hydrolyzed into individual amino acids, then yes, it is absorbed by the skin and used by molecular enzymes to assemble collagen. This assumes the enzymes are functioning correctly and have the capacity to synthesize more collagen. These mechanisms are well understood and elucidated in good biochemistry and nutrition textbooks.

random_kris 8y ago

majority of your girlfriends? so you are the alpha male everyone is talking about, talking our woman

telesilla 8y ago
I'm a woman. May I ask you try a thought-experiment? Imagine that 50% of the comments here are made by women - that's pretty much how I prefer to interact with the internet.
- izzydata 8y ago
  I'm pretty confident that poster is aware of that possibility and intentionally making a joke. Imagine that 50% if not more of the comments made on the internet are not to be taken seriously.
- Chris_Chambers 8y ago
  No offense but around here you should always be prepared to prove you are a real woman and not trans. The fact that you pretend not to realize how common it is for “women” in tech to be mentally ill men wearing makeup suggests you are one such person.
- veryworried 8y ago
  I’m sorry, I support a thought experiment but 50% is not a realistic heuristic at all. I’d be surprised if even 10% of comments here were from women. Don’t shoot the messenger that’s just been my experience when it comes to tech forums.
  - telesilla 8y ago
    That was my point, my apologies for not clarifying: even though I know this site is heavily male-dominated I read each comment from a lens of gender-ambiguity. I do this to preserve my sanity. We also don't know how many here are gay, bi-, gender-fluid, non-cis.. It makes me happy to imagine there is a greater number out there who are not making themselves known because honestly, it's exasperating knowing that I am embedded in a system where a minority has the power to create the technology that powers our diverse world.

lawlessone 8y ago

Retinol has very strong and noticeable affects actually. I use it for acne.

Cthulhu_ 8y ago

There is serious money BEING made; I did a quick google, it's a half a trillion dollar worldwide industry.

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sizzle 8y ago

A few hundred a year? I know people that spend that in a month, or on the whim for high end products. Beauty is series business.