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Yea sort of. I mean I said I liked the episode, I just think this part is bad form (I'm paraphrasing): >why can you expect it to look like this? well because i

Yea sort of. I mean I said I liked the episode, I just think this part is bad form (I'm paraphrasing): >why can you expect it to look like this? well because it's just going to look like this. Now, I'm not trying to say his prediction was unwise. I just think it's first of all bad form to say something like "the reason is just trust me," in scientific discussions (even if you are correct)... but second I actually do want to know at least some explanation to that question. Granted, I'm not saying the video does not explain anything about the image. I wanted to know: why can we be sure it will look like this, and not other simulated images? That's all. You can see on the EHT's own website a gallery of other simulated models of what could be expected from a radio image. And the second part of my criticism, was that by the end of the video, he was using images inspired by other models, and particularly of one where the accretion disk dominated the image. I dont care how many downvotes I get, I know the difference between right and wrong and this is a perfectly reasonable criticism. Anyways, since my posts lost 60 karma in 1 hour somehow (almost uniformly coming from posts in other threads, wtf?) some other opportunistic types see it as a chance for bullying. Even writing stuff like 'you've obviously got your jimmies rustled mate!' or other extremely bad faith assumptions like 'if you cant understand why it's fuzzy, it's far away!' The best is the troll bait comment, 'do you really think one person is downvoting you?' Groupthink, bullying, and authority define right and wrong for some people--they can't even write something that even addresses an actual comment or argument. People are crazy. Eventually they just start addressing the negativity itself, abandoning any substantive argument, and focusing on the negativity itself. The next step is using the negativity as its own justification (you deserve negativity because otherwise you wouldnt be receiving negativity kind of assumptions implicig in the above troll bait comment). But still all that I dont think explains why comments in unrelated posts (even ones that were being complimented) got the same time-unform mass-downvotes?? I think I haven't experienced anything like this before on this site until recently. I lost 60 karma in the a few hours.

bdamm 8y ago
Well, for the record, it wasn't me. I did however read through your comments just now, and it seems there is a pattern of not really engaging in dialogue but just blasting your opinion over and over. Looking at your comments on Julian Assange, for example, it seems clear that you do not think there is any difference between what a NYTimes reporter does and what Assange did. I can't speak to everyone else but to me the difference is quite obvious, and probably that has something to do with why you're being downvoted. You're repeatedly stating that they're the same, without describing why you believe this, and then kind of insulting other people for their belief that in fact they are different. So anyway, I've spent way, way too much time responding to you. Good luck to you sir.
- wallace_f 8y ago
  Hmm there is some groupthink, lack of reason, or bullying going on here. Look at this image for yourself. The article is titled: "Here is what scientists think a black hole. Looks like:" https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/here-s-what-scientists-think-black-hole-looks https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/here-s-what-scientis... There are not massive differences in the images, but the Vetiasium prediction was (and this is very plain) much more accurate. This isn't controversial at all. I also thought the particular statement, "why is it like this, because it is just going to look like this" was bad form. This is very plainly reasonable. I think the fact that you and a few other users turned this into an opportunity to go through the effort of writing belittling comments and even put downs and troll bait over something as plain and ordinary as this is indicative of some bad qualities of humanity expressing themselves here. Of course, your only response will be further negativity as bad people dont possess the ability to admit when they were wrong. And the statement about Assange is very widely expressed. See here(1). There are articles all over the media, just like that one, echoing the same exact view. They are literally everywhere. Finally, I noticed over the last 30 minutes all my recent comments went down by -1 each. That really makes it look like I'm engaging with some quite petty and insecure people. Edit: see, right after I wrote this comment, all my recent comments each, in perfect synchronization, down by -1 again haha.

bdamm 8y ago

Well, for the record, it wasn't me. I did however read through your comments just now, and it seems there is a pattern of not really engaging in dialogue but just blasting your opinion over and over. Looking at your comments on Julian Assange, for example, it seems clear that you do not think there is any difference between what a NYTimes reporter does and what Assange did. I can't speak to everyone else but to me the difference is quite obvious, and probably that has something to do with why you're being downvoted. You're repeatedly stating that they're the same, without describing why you believe this, and then kind of insulting other people for their belief that in fact they are different. So anyway, I've spent way, way too much time responding to you. Good luck to you sir.

wallace_f 8y ago
Hmm there is some groupthink, lack of reason, or bullying going on here. Look at this image for yourself. The article is titled: "Here is what scientists think a black hole. Looks like:" https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/here-s-what-scientists-think-black-hole-looks https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/here-s-what-scientis... There are not massive differences in the images, but the Vetiasium prediction was (and this is very plain) much more accurate. This isn't controversial at all. I also thought the particular statement, "why is it like this, because it is just going to look like this" was bad form. This is very plainly reasonable. I think the fact that you and a few other users turned this into an opportunity to go through the effort of writing belittling comments and even put downs and troll bait over something as plain and ordinary as this is indicative of some bad qualities of humanity expressing themselves here. Of course, your only response will be further negativity as bad people dont possess the ability to admit when they were wrong. And the statement about Assange is very widely expressed. See here(1). There are articles all over the media, just like that one, echoing the same exact view. They are literally everywhere. Finally, I noticed over the last 30 minutes all my recent comments went down by -1 each. That really makes it look like I'm engaging with some quite petty and insecure people. Edit: see, right after I wrote this comment, all my recent comments each, in perfect synchronization, down by -1 again haha.