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Maybe they simply got merged into us? We all have neanderthal ancestry.

daenz 8y ago
Isn't "merged" a nice way of saying that the men and children were likely murdered and the women taken for breeding? "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations.
- uwuhn 8y ago
  Isn't this ultimately the origin of everything that we recognize as a modern ethnicity? We're all the products of amalgamations of conquered/extinguished tribes, states, empires, and cultures, most of which are lost to history forever.
- markdown 8y ago
  Yes. And?
  - okonomiyaki3000 8y ago
    And it was pure evil so somebody owes somebody some kind of apology and reparations! Most likely themselves since the offspring of the oppressed are also the offspring of the oppressors...
- twblalock 8y ago
  > "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations. That seems to be what happened with Neanderthals, at least at first. Incidentally any violence may have been from the Neanderthals because almost all of the genetic data shows Neanderthal ancestry from Neanderthal males and homo sapiens females, and not the other way around.
  - wavefunction 8y ago
    Maybe the Neanderthal were more sensitive and alluring to Homo sapiens females, given their artistic side.
- adrianratnapala 8y ago
  > "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations. Even when this did happen[1], the record seems to show trickles of gene-flow from these populations entering a much larger stream of genes from a more recently out-of-Africa population. [1] And in a big complex world, it certainly would have happened sometimes.
- chrischen 8y ago
  Women are people too, so that wouldn't be how such merging happens. Most likely homo sapiens greatly outnumbered the neanderthals, so any neanderthals (whether more or female) that mated with humans had their own DNA diluted and eventually absorbed into the homo sapien population.
- YUMad 8y ago
  All matings that resulted in Neandertal DNA in modern humans were by Neandertal male + Sapiens female.
marci 8y ago
All (non-african)
- wavefunction 8y ago
  At this point, some Africans probably have some Neanderthal in them.
  - YUMad 8y ago
    Subsaharan Africans have mated with for now unknown hominin cca 30kya. As for your claim, you're mostly right. There was an incursion of non-African DNA into Subsaharan Africa around 3000kya, probably related to Bronze Age Collapse and migrations around it. Because of this, Africans can carry up to 25% Eurasian DNA, and part of that is Neandertal. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905
    - YUMad 8y ago
      *around 3kya, I meant.
- deleted 8y ago
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Isn't "merged" a nice way of saying that the men and children were likely murdered and the women taken for breeding? "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations.

uwuhn 8y ago
Isn't this ultimately the origin of everything that we recognize as a modern ethnicity? We're all the products of amalgamations of conquered/extinguished tribes, states, empires, and cultures, most of which are lost to history forever.
markdown 8y ago
Yes. And?
- okonomiyaki3000 8y ago
  And it was pure evil so somebody owes somebody some kind of apology and reparations! Most likely themselves since the offspring of the oppressed are also the offspring of the oppressors...
twblalock 8y ago
> "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations. That seems to be what happened with Neanderthals, at least at first. Incidentally any violence may have been from the Neanderthals because almost all of the genetic data shows Neanderthal ancestry from Neanderthal males and homo sapiens females, and not the other way around.
- wavefunction 8y ago
  Maybe the Neanderthal were more sensitive and alluring to Homo sapiens females, given their artistic side.
adrianratnapala 8y ago
> "Merged" conjures an image of living peacefully side by side and interbreeding for many generations. Even when this did happen[1], the record seems to show trickles of gene-flow from these populations entering a much larger stream of genes from a more recently out-of-Africa population. [1] And in a big complex world, it certainly would have happened sometimes.
chrischen 8y ago
Women are people too, so that wouldn't be how such merging happens. Most likely homo sapiens greatly outnumbered the neanderthals, so any neanderthals (whether more or female) that mated with humans had their own DNA diluted and eventually absorbed into the homo sapien population.
YUMad 8y ago
All matings that resulted in Neandertal DNA in modern humans were by Neandertal male + Sapiens female.

marci 8y ago

All (non-african)

wavefunction 8y ago
At this point, some Africans probably have some Neanderthal in them.
- YUMad 8y ago
  Subsaharan Africans have mated with for now unknown hominin cca 30kya. As for your claim, you're mostly right. There was an incursion of non-African DNA into Subsaharan Africa around 3000kya, probably related to Bronze Age Collapse and migrations around it. Because of this, Africans can carry up to 25% Eurasian DNA, and part of that is Neandertal. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905 https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905
  - YUMad 8y ago
    *around 3kya, I meant.
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