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We are apes. There is no doubt whatsoever about that narrative.
by Scarblac 8y ago
We are apes. There is no doubt whatsoever about that narrative.
- ibra77 8y agonice, keep forcing the narrative. 500 years forward, people will look at these times the same way we look at the church in middle ages forcing the earth is flat.
- devoply 8y agoMaybe. Maybe we are brains in a vat plugged into an ape's body... or something similar. Where when you take control of an animal's body your actual memory is masked so you experience reality as an ape. That happened perhaps 10,000 years ago. Before that we were just apes. There is something highly artificial about human thinking and desire... which is not easily explained to me as hey we're the same as all the other animals on this planet.
- w0de0 8y ago> There is something highly artificial about human thinking and desire Compared to the other forms of thinking and desire you have experienced?
- devoply 8y agoWell from observation it does not seem to me that other animals have the same thoughts and desires as people. Or perhaps they are not capable of expressing their desires. Hard to say because nothing else on this planet developed language. Or maybe we killed the rest?
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- InitialLastName 8y agoHell, I'm not convinced other people have the same thoughts and desires as me. They frequently express their desires to do different things. That must make them non-sapient, right? On the other hand, my cat is quite capable of expressing his desire to be fed or have the window he likes to sit in opened.
- aaronarduino 8y agoIs there no doubt because that is what is taught, or because there is evidence that one species has been concretely observed as it evolves into another completely different species?
- Scarblac 8y agoThere is no such thing as "one species that evolves into another completely different species". Each generation is a tiny bit different compared to the previous. Split a population of animals into two based on a geographical divider or so, make the circumstances slightly different so that slightly different traits give better survivability in each group, and over a long long time they'll drift apart. Then humans come along and decide they're different enough to call them different species. But if the original species was an ape, then both new groups are still apes. Just like they stay mammals, just like they stay arthropods. We can do genetic analysis that shows the above to have happened all the time, and by looking at which genes two species have in common and which have diverged we can estimate how long ago the last common ancestors lived. And the last common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees is more recent than the last common ancestor of humans and orang utans (that ancestor is also the last common ancestor of chimpanzees and orang utans, of course). So if chimpanzees and orang utans are apes, then we must also be apes.
- aaronarduino 8y ago> we can estimate how long ago the last common ancestors lived. That is an estimate. That is not concrete evidence. Since humans don't live long enough to observe major evolution then it takes just as much faith to believe in evolution as to believe in other theories.
- flukus 8y agoExtrapolating based on known evidence and having a fossil record to confirm that extrapolation is not faith, it's evidence based logical reasoning. I didn't see the sun rise on the 3rd of June 1924, but it's not faith to believe that it did so.