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I think the worst offenders of this are Fox News, but it's not like CNN or MSNBC are blameless. I remember being disgusted at Fox News, especially during the W

I think the worst offenders of this are Fox News, but it's not like CNN or MSNBC are blameless. I remember being disgusted at Fox News, especially during the WMD debacle. I was right there with Jon Stewart when he criticized it as "Faux News." Certainly, "it's not like CNN or MSNBC are blameless." In recent years, they've become every bit as bad. there's this bizarre, us-against-them, almost-conspiratorial vibe to a lot of what's in the news Start counting the subtle references to these. It's pretty much everywhere across mainstream news sources.

tombert 8y ago
I still don't think CNN or MSNBC are as bad as Fox News yet. Sean Hannity is basically Alex Jones-lite, and Tucker Carlson is pretty much completely disingenuous (and if you want to talk about us-versus-them, I recommend counting the number of times he says "elites" during his show). Plus, Fox and Friends is pretty much just an elaborate propaganda program for the president at this point. Even if you agree with Trump's policies (I don't), I cannot see how anyone could not see the blatent and purposeful right-wing propaganda of Fox.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  I cannot see how anyone could not see the blatant and purposeful right-wing propaganda of Fox. It's easiest to see propaganda, when the lies are about you/your side. To see how CNN or MSNBC fit Noam Chomsky's "propaganda model" you have to look at the times when they pushed narratives against the truth. To do that, you need to have some perspective outside the bubble around CNN and MSNBC, or be unlucky enough to have them push a lie or false narrative about you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcd_MQgEL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcd_MQgEL8
- tracker1 8y ago
  Try watching Tim Pool on youtube (timcast/subverse)... he's centrist/liberal leaning but absolutely calls out a lot of the crap on all sides of the coin.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    Google Caught Censoring Conservatives In New Leak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEyqDlKfLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEyqDlKfLw
- s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
  Fox is the only mainstream cable news that shows the other side. The two programs you mentioned are opinion segments. The daily programming is much more balanced. IMO the daily segments at Fox have been much more fair in the recent years than CNN or MSNBC have been. Disclaimer: I am conservative. It's hard to watch left-leaning cable news. It's also hard watching hard right wing segments like Hannity. I do watch one segment of Fox (The Five). I like the 5 panel dynamic.

tombert 8y ago

I still don't think CNN or MSNBC are as bad as Fox News yet. Sean Hannity is basically Alex Jones-lite, and Tucker Carlson is pretty much completely disingenuous (and if you want to talk about us-versus-them, I recommend counting the number of times he says "elites" during his show). Plus, Fox and Friends is pretty much just an elaborate propaganda program for the president at this point. Even if you agree with Trump's policies (I don't), I cannot see how anyone could not see the blatent and purposeful right-wing propaganda of Fox.

stcredzero 8y ago
I cannot see how anyone could not see the blatant and purposeful right-wing propaganda of Fox. It's easiest to see propaganda, when the lies are about you/your side. To see how CNN or MSNBC fit Noam Chomsky's "propaganda model" you have to look at the times when they pushed narratives against the truth. To do that, you need to have some perspective outside the bubble around CNN and MSNBC, or be unlucky enough to have them push a lie or false narrative about you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcd_MQgEL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkcd_MQgEL8
tracker1 8y ago
Try watching Tim Pool on youtube (timcast/subverse)... he's centrist/liberal leaning but absolutely calls out a lot of the crap on all sides of the coin.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  Google Caught Censoring Conservatives In New Leak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEyqDlKfLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CEyqDlKfLw
s_y_n_t_a_x 8y ago
Fox is the only mainstream cable news that shows the other side. The two programs you mentioned are opinion segments. The daily programming is much more balanced. IMO the daily segments at Fox have been much more fair in the recent years than CNN or MSNBC have been. Disclaimer: I am conservative. It's hard to watch left-leaning cable news. It's also hard watching hard right wing segments like Hannity. I do watch one segment of Fox (The Five). I like the 5 panel dynamic.