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I don't know anything about your particular company, and I'm not hiring myself, but here's my two cents from the other side of the table: 1) If you want elite

by raquo 8y ago

I don't know anything about your particular company, and I'm not hiring myself, but here's my two cents from the other side of the table: 1) If you want elite engineers either offer them elite compensation and/or elite working conditions (remote, flexibility on workload, many weeks of vacation, time shifting, etc.). 2) If you want elite engineers make sure they know your job offer is elite by publishing specific compensation ranges, working conditions, and other information that makes your job offer elite. Abstract promises like "competitive compensation" or "above market pay" are standard marketing copy, not a differentiator. This goes for other concerns such as dev culture just as well, but lack of compensation and work hours information is the worst. It's like trying to sell a house while withholding both price and location upfront.

yani 8y ago
Thank you for the 2 cents. Very useful suggestions. I have experimented with disclosing the compensation. The result was a bit surprising - less applications. Can disclosed compensation be intimidating to some? My pain point is getting the offer infront of the right eyes.
- raquo 8y ago
  Well, being approachable is a benefit too. You don't want people thinking that you will take them through crazy interviews like Google does if that's not what you're doing, so again I'd say the answer is revealing more information about what your hiring process looks like. Similarly for work hours - if you publish an uncommonly good salary range you better explain what you're expecting in return, in terms of work hours, vacation, etc., or else I might think you will work me to death especially if you have stereotypes going against you (east coast, gaming, finance industries, etc.) --- Speaking of platforms and getting in front of the right eyes, consider presenting at relevant tech events and conferences. Your dev team will probably be excited to share some cool things that they're doing. --- It is also possible that your offer is not as good as you think. Could your target candidate get a job at Google with significantly more pay, vacation, etc.? Consider offering them something that Google won't - remote work, 4 day work week, autonomy, etc. --- Also, the platform you choose to advertise on has a lot of impact on how revealing more information is perceived. For example, something like AngelList treats job offers like house listings, letting applicants filter by compensation, technology, industry, etc. On a platform like this where it's routine to see compensation published, putting up a range that is 30K-50K higher than your competitors is exciting, not intimidating. --- (Another disclaimer that I'm not an expert on this by any means, just sharing my feelings.)
  - yani 8y ago
    Thank you. It is refreshing to get the perspective from the other side of the table.
ddorian43 8y ago
This. Best job would be: Remote (your own timezone); Pay: $180K-$360K; 40 Vacation Days; Work on hard crazy tech; Will be surrounded by smarter people etc
- yani 8y ago
  Yes. We offer it. What we do not have is working on a bleeding edge work - electric vehicles, space flights, cure cancer .. etc

by raquo 8y ago

yani 8y ago

Thank you for the 2 cents. Very useful suggestions. I have experimented with disclosing the compensation. The result was a bit surprising - less applications. Can disclosed compensation be intimidating to some? My pain point is getting the offer infront of the right eyes.

raquo 8y ago
Well, being approachable is a benefit too. You don't want people thinking that you will take them through crazy interviews like Google does if that's not what you're doing, so again I'd say the answer is revealing more information about what your hiring process looks like. Similarly for work hours - if you publish an uncommonly good salary range you better explain what you're expecting in return, in terms of work hours, vacation, etc., or else I might think you will work me to death especially if you have stereotypes going against you (east coast, gaming, finance industries, etc.) --- Speaking of platforms and getting in front of the right eyes, consider presenting at relevant tech events and conferences. Your dev team will probably be excited to share some cool things that they're doing. --- It is also possible that your offer is not as good as you think. Could your target candidate get a job at Google with significantly more pay, vacation, etc.? Consider offering them something that Google won't - remote work, 4 day work week, autonomy, etc. --- Also, the platform you choose to advertise on has a lot of impact on how revealing more information is perceived. For example, something like AngelList treats job offers like house listings, letting applicants filter by compensation, technology, industry, etc. On a platform like this where it's routine to see compensation published, putting up a range that is 30K-50K higher than your competitors is exciting, not intimidating. --- (Another disclaimer that I'm not an expert on this by any means, just sharing my feelings.)
- yani 8y ago
  Thank you. It is refreshing to get the perspective from the other side of the table.

ddorian43 8y ago

This. Best job would be: Remote (your own timezone); Pay: $180K-$360K; 40 Vacation Days; Work on hard crazy tech; Will be surrounded by smarter people etc

yani 8y ago
Yes. We offer it. What we do not have is working on a bleeding edge work - electric vehicles, space flights, cure cancer .. etc